Are You Missing Out? – There’s More to Swinging Than Full Swap!

[Guest] Welcome to Swinger University, your horizontal enrichment program.[Guest] Group projects were never this much fun.[Guest] Here are your hosts, Ed and Phoebe.[Unknown] Hi, this is Ed.[Phoebe] And this is Phoebe.[Phoebe] Today we're talking about how fun it is to soft swap.[Phoebe] In addition, we have found out that when we soft swap with couples,[Phoebe] it is never the same.[Phoebe] They're parameters of what is comfortable and when.[Phoebe] Makes soft swap swinging, like opening a Christmas present for the first time.[Phoebe] You know, the one you didn't open and re-wrap.[Phoebe] So we met this couple.[Phoebe] So we met a couple, Mr and Mrs. Real.[Phoebe] We are going to call them.[Phoebe] And we met them at a house party in our area many months ago.[Phoebe] Three or four months ago.[Unknown] They're soft swap couple.[Phoebe] And Mrs. Real is by.[Phoebe] So when we met them at this party, it was towards the end of the evening.[Phoebe] And I recall that we were on our way out.[Phoebe] Like the evening was done.[Phoebe] We were ready to go home.[Unknown] Yeah, we were probably getting emotional.[Phoebe] We're moving that direction towards the door.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] When, as I recall, I was stopped by the gorgeous Mrs. Real.[Phoebe] And there was an electricity happening.[Phoebe] And we started making out.[Phoebe] And then all of a sudden, I'm on the couch in front of everybody.[Phoebe] Getting oral from Mrs. Red.[Phoebe] Real.[Unknown] Sorry.[Phoebe] The other are.[Phoebe] We do know Mrs. Red.[Ed] Mr. Real and I were just kind of standing back and watching.[Unknown] And it was quite the show.[Phoebe] It was so good.[Phoebe] She's very good.[Phoebe] So that was super fun.[Phoebe] And the connection was crazy between me and her.[Phoebe] So I just fell in love with her right away.[Phoebe] So we exchanged contact information.[Phoebe] Months later, you know, holidays, stuff gets in the way.[Phoebe] We visited them at their house.[Phoebe] We did some side by side play with a little.[Phoebe] And maybe a little.[Phoebe] Maybe her hand wandered over to your penis at some point.[Phoebe] But other than that, it's very, very light.[Ed] Very, very little contact between.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Anybody but the ladies.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Her and I did have.[Phoebe] Her and I exchanged oral.[Phoebe] That was nice.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] We did get to play.[Phoebe] That was really fun.[Ed] It was under the disco lights and watching you just have fun.[Ed] Either lay back and have fun and enjoy her.[Ed] Minestrations on your.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Your bones or spicy.[Ed] Spicy.[Ed] Spicy.[Ed] Would you get to play a little bit.[Ed] Taste a little bit.[Ed] Nibble a little bit.[Unknown] And and Miss Rill is very good at seduction.[Phoebe] So she can give a lap dance like a no other.[Phoebe] So I was quite taken by that.[Phoebe] And it was quite the turn on.[Phoebe] I recall you also got one.[Phoebe] I did.[Phoebe] You got it first.[Phoebe] But I need another one of those.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] I need another one.[Phoebe] I was supposed to ask for one last time, but I forgot.[Ed] We just went straight to the…[Phoebe] I went to naked in the jacuzzi to the bedroom.[Unknown] But that's coming up.[Unknown] So so we go over there.[Ed] That first night was great.[Ed] It was great.[Ed] It was great.[Ed] Time it was super laid back.[Ed] It was just comfortable.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] And then we had him over to our house.[Phoebe] We're developing the swing ship, right?[Phoebe] Had him over to our house for drinks.[Phoebe] There was no play.[Phoebe] And then again, holidays, family stuff got in the way.[Phoebe] They went to a couple swinger resorts.[Phoebe] And we're cultivating their thing, right?[Unknown] So the holidays are over.[Phoebe] We reach out to Mr. Real and…[Phoebe] Bump, bump, bump.[Phoebe] She's gone.[Phoebe] On.[Unknown] Left.[Ed] No more Mrs. Real.[Phoebe] No more Mr. and Ms. Real.[Phoebe] And I'm like, oh my God.[Phoebe] Not again.[Phoebe] Not again.[Ed] Yes, we finally meet a couple that we played it off.[Ed] All four of us get along.[Ed] We're comfortable with each other.[Ed] They're comfortable with us.[Ed] Uh-huh.[Phoebe] They're sexy.[Ed] We're sexy.[Unknown] Everybody's sexy.[Phoebe] Everyone wants sexy time.[Phoebe] I know.[Phoebe] This is the thing, right?[Phoebe] And…[Ed] Yeah.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] So we were super sad.[Phoebe] I was depressed for several days.[Phoebe] We continued to stay in touch with Mr. Real.[Phoebe] And encouraging his journey as a single guy in the lifestyle.[Phoebe] You know, effectively a single guy and kind of supporting him.[Ed] We saw him at another event.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] And that's when we, of course, found bad news.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] And it was nice to see him again and see that he was doing okay.[Unknown] Everything was, you know?[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Okay with him.[Ed] And I used okay because…[Phoebe] He was okay, but you could tell he was…[Unknown] He was hurt.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] He was suffering.[Phoebe] So.[Phoebe] But, you know.[Phoebe] He was putting a good, good base forward, right?[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] And then…[Guest] So…[Guest] Done.[Guest] Done.[Guest] She's back.[Guest] Oh my God.[Guest] She's back.[Guest] Oh my God.[Guest] She's back.[Guest] We were like, what?[Guest] What happened?[Guest] Really?[Guest] Okay.[Guest] Let's get together.[Ed] So this was the classic setup where…[Ed] Here's a couple.[Ed] They're not married, but they've been together for a while.[Ed] Long while.[Ed] He's into the lifestyle.[Ed] She's not sure.[Ed] Not liked it.[Ed] Wasn't comfortable.[Ed] But there were some communication issues between the two of them,[Ed] and they hadn't connected.[Phoebe] Right.[Unknown] And later, when we…[Phoebe] As the date progresses, which we're going to get into,[Phoebe] we find out that she was into it.[Phoebe] They just hadn't talked about it.[Phoebe] So she's into it just as much as he.[Phoebe] But they didn't really have that honest communication.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Because I will tell you,[Phoebe] it is kind of scary when you really start to lay it out there and go,[Phoebe] you know, I like really, really like spaghetti.[Phoebe] And if you don't like it, then that's a deal breaker.[Phoebe] And you kind of have to…[Phoebe] That's kind of what you got to do.[Phoebe] And then…[Phoebe] Or negotiate.[Phoebe] Sure.[Phoebe] That, right?[Phoebe] And now, you know, the other person might say,[Phoebe] well, you know, I could learn to like spaghetti.[Phoebe] And that's okay if I have, you know, Chinese every now and then.[Phoebe] Kind of thing.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Unknown] You get the picture.[Phoebe] All right.[Phoebe] So, this is real.[Phoebe] She's back.[Phoebe] Okay.[Phoebe] So, Mrs. Reel and I are texting.[Phoebe] We have a FaceTime.[Phoebe] We're chatting.[Phoebe] She has a bunch of questions.[Phoebe] Yes.[Ed] And the reason you're having a FaceTime with her is…[Ed] Oh, yeah.[Ed] The whole them getting back together was partially the…[Ed] The enticement of playing with us again.[Phoebe] Yes![Ed] Which was, I mean, super flattering and very hot at this, you know,[Ed] all at the same time.[Ed] And it was like, actually, that's a…[Ed] That we felt safe is what it was.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] We were comfortable.[Ed] And she was like, you know what?[Ed] If we're going to do this, if we're going to experiment,[Unknown] try the lifestyle again, I want to do it with them.[Unknown] Yeah.[Phoebe] So…[Phoebe] And they listened to some of our podcasts and that helped too.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] I think it did.[Ed] And it was reassuring to go, oh my God, I'm not an alien.[Ed] This isn't weird.[Ed] Other people go through this.[Ed] We're not alone.[Unknown] Right.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] So, it was super fun.[Phoebe] And I felt honored to support her and ask her questions.[Phoebe] And then, you know, of course, we, like I said,[Phoebe] we took the opportunity to find out what some of the rules are[Phoebe] and what their goals were.[Unknown] You know, what's the goal for…[Phoebe] What do you want to do?[Phoebe] …for an evening together, right?[Phoebe] And so, we discovered what some of that was,[Phoebe] some of the rules and some of the boundaries.[Phoebe] And then we discovered more of that later when we were in the jacuzzi.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] So, the date is set.[Phoebe] So, her and I have great conversation, blah, blah, blah, blah.[Phoebe] We get a bunch of stuff worked out and it's all great.[Phoebe] Date is set.[Phoebe] We get already and we head to the house.[Phoebe] And what were we wearing?[Phoebe] I changed my outfits a couple times.[Ed] Oh, we were doing like, you know, jeans and a nice shirt.[Ed] It was pretty casual.[Phoebe] But mine was like a crop top low cut.[Ed] Oh, yours was fond.[Ed] Yeah, it was like a crisscross with a plunging backline.[Ed] All the cleavage.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] All the cleavage going on.[Ed] I wore some tight jeans with no pants underneath, no underwear on.[Phoebe] You didn't have underwear?[Unknown] No.[Ed] I didn't know that.[Ed] But it flies with my little dangly going down the leg kind of thing.[Phoebe] Oh, and Mr. Real, he had…[Phoebe] He brought out his see-through black long…[Phoebe] They're like long underwear or…[Ed] They're like…[Ed] Boxer briefs.[Ed] They're like a see-through boxer brief.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Oh, that's right.[Phoebe] You have the long pant version.[Phoebe] He had the boxer.[Phoebe] He looked very nice in those.[Phoebe] I did like those.[Ed] They're fun and sexy.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] And then Mr. Real, she had on a very skin tight, sexy dress.[Phoebe] What's nothing on underneath?[Phoebe] That's it.[Ed] Just a dress.[Ed] One layer of peel.[Unknown] Yep.[Ed] It's perfect.[Ed] Just like a baby I need it.[Phoebe] It's perfect.[Phoebe] I think I had more clothes than anybody.[Phoebe] I don't know what I was thinking.[Ed] So we get there.[Ed] Yes.[Ed] We, you know, do the huggy, kissy, greedy thing, you know, at the front door.[Ed] And…[Phoebe] The men decide to separate from the women.[Ed] Yes.[Ed] So the girls wanted to talk about some stuff and the guys wanted to talk about some stuff.[Ed] And so we kind of…[Ed] We did a little road trip.[Ed] I jumped into his sports car with him and we drove down to the local gas station.[Ed] He just had some improvements made.[Ed] Some work done on it and he wanted to test drive it.[Ed] So I got to sit in a really fast car.[Ed] It was awesome.[Ed] It was super visceral.[Ed] So you can imagine you're about to, you know, you're going fast.[Ed] You're, you know, working the equipment and you're thinking about all the adrenaline going.[Phoebe] You were used to the airplane but you just went up in the space shuttle basically.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Ed] And I ride motorcycles and so I'm used to speed.[Ed] But in a car, speed is such a different sensation.[Unknown] And…[Phoebe] How is it different?[Ed] Well, you've, you've got a box around you for the first part.[Ed] Right.[Ed] You're holding on on a motorcycle with your arms and legs and you can kind of grip the tank with your knees.[Ed] But that, that sensation of acceleration, you're very exposed on a motorcycle.[Ed] Mm-hmm.[Ed] And in a car, you're kind of in a box, although this was a convertible.[Ed] We had the top down.[Guest] Oh.[Ed] And yeah, this was, this was the fastest car I've ever been in.[Ed] And…[Unknown] It was fun.[Unknown] It was hot.[Ed] And it made me want to get one and realize that if I got one, I would probably die or kill myself.[Ed] Because I would drive it like it's supposed to be driven, which is, of course, not legal.[Ed] So there you go.[Ed] Right.[Ed] Yes.[Ed] I can neither confirm nor deny that we probably broke the speed limit.[Ed] Well, well, driving the car.[Ed] Of course.[Phoebe] Well, Ed is off having really good time.[Phoebe] I'm also having a great time with Miss Reel.[Phoebe] We are talking about all kinds of fun stuff.[Phoebe] There was a fair amount of trying to find logistics of the cushions for the outdoor furniture and stuff.[Phoebe] And I'm trying to get the fire pit lit.[Phoebe] But once that all happened, we were sitting in chat and talking about stuff and upcoming events[Phoebe] and, you know, kind of getting, you know, a little bit of housekeeping out of the way.[Phoebe] So to speak as to what we wanted to happen for the night.[Phoebe] So you guys came back.[Phoebe] We sat at the fire pit for, I don't know, not very long.[Unknown] It was a little bit longer than that, but yeah.[Phoebe] It felt like five seconds while I took an hour to get the thing lit.[Phoebe] But it was you guys were there for five seconds.[Phoebe] So yeah, that was worth it.[Ed] All that build up for.[Unknown] So there's that.[Phoebe] So, but the good part is we all decided to get naked and go to the jacuzzi.[Ed] I will take naked jacuzzi time over a fire pit.[Ed] Any day.[Ed] Every day.[Unknown] Yeah.[Phoebe] So off we went.[Phoebe] Which was great.[Phoebe] The lighting was great.[Phoebe] It was very intimate, private.[Phoebe] No one could see.[Phoebe] So we could just do whatever we wanted in there.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] A lot of conversation happened in there.[Phoebe] Which was great.[Phoebe] Because we really got to know a little bit more about their dynamic and their journey[Phoebe] and how I loved listening to them and how communication got missed.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] That they went the opposite directions and just kind of passed each other without even real.[Phoebe] He's going 80 or 125 and she's going 60.[Phoebe] And they wanted the same thing.[Phoebe] They were just a different.[Ed] And it's the stuff that we went through when we first got into it where it was like,[Unknown] if you don't say it, no one can read your mind.[Unknown] Right.[Ed] Which is hilarious because we were also watching an episode of Playboy's Swing.[Ed] Yes.[Ed] I think that's what it's called anyway.[Ed] And the woman in there was like, you should just know me.[Ed] You should just know how I'm feeling.[Ed] No one knows your feelings unless you verbalize them because ladies and gentlemen,[Ed] no one can read minds that's both a blessing and a curse that we can't read each other's minds.[Ed] Leave a little mystery.[Ed] But it does require to speak up and say what you mean.[Ed] And say what you want.[Ed] Exactly.[Unknown] And yeah.[Phoebe] But sometimes, yeah.[Phoebe] But sometimes, you know, you don't really feel safe or it's scary to say what you want[Phoebe] because you think that could really be like the end.[Phoebe] Oh yeah.[Unknown] If you say something, that feels very, very revealing or just like raw.[Ed] We had so many conversations when we first started with this.[Ed] This is how I'm feeling.[Ed] Like, I understand that you're, you're nervous about playing with other couples.[Ed] Just as an example, Phoebe was very nervous about watching me with another woman.[Ed] And I'm like, I'm okay if you get to play, but I don't for a little bit.[Unknown] Right.[Ed] That was a, like, that was an uncomfortable conversation to have because it was, you know,[Ed] me kind of giving something up and her kind of understanding that dynamic and how it was going to work out.[Ed] But you have to have those conversations.[Ed] You've got to go through that in order to get past it.[Ed] So if you don't open up, if you don't kind of expose yourself,[Unknown] all right, we need your help so that your community,[Ed] the very one you love and have so much fun with can also find our show.[Ed] Here's a really easy way to do that.[Ed] If you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,[Ed] hit that follow button and leave us a rating.[Ed] If you're watching on YouTube, subscribe and turn on notifications.[Ed] We can't emphasize enough how much this helps the swing our community.[Ed] And it truly is up to you to make that happen.[Ed] It makes a massive difference in whether new listeners can even find us.[Ed] And here's the thing.[Ed] When someone searches Swinger Podcast, the algorithm doesn't care how good our content is[Ed] or how long we've been around.[Ed] It only cares about ratings and reviews.[Ed] We'd appreciate it and your community will really appreciate it.[Ed] Thanks for listening.[Unknown] How are you going to know?[Phoebe] How are you going to know?[Phoebe] There's a sex therapist who I was listening to today that did a TED Talk.[Phoebe] Oh, her name is escaping me right now.[Phoebe] She's very well known.[Phoebe] And she was the sex therapist on that Playboy channel also.[Phoebe] And she was basically saying that relationships are elastic.[Phoebe] They're not static.[Phoebe] They stretch and they grow.[Phoebe] And people really want to grow.[Phoebe] And they want to have someone that can grow with them.[Phoebe] They want to expand.[Phoebe] They want to grow and test boundaries and become more.[Ed] And that was what Mr. Real and I were talking about in the car about exercising the relationship.[Ed] If you just kind of stay the course and you don't push boundaries,[Ed] you don't go on a vacation together.[Ed] You'll never know what that stress is like in order to test your relationship.[Ed] Swinging is a really significant test of your relationship.[Ed] It will push your boundaries.[Ed] It will push your comfort.[Ed] And we learned that our relationship was much stronger after we started swinging[Ed] because we exercised it.[Ed] Right.[Ed] We tested it and it survived.[Ed] And so we tested a little bit more and it survived.[Unknown] And we kind of, right, just like going to the gym, right?[Ed] You work those muscles.[Ed] What do they do?[Ed] They get stronger.[Ed] They get bigger.[Ed] They get hotter.[Unknown] Hotter.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] And oh, I like the gym analogy.[Phoebe] So one of the fears that we had, I had was if we test those boundaries,[Phoebe] then that means we're going to be poly.[Phoebe] And we've had friends say this to us too.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] But if I get into swinging, then all of a sudden, what's the next progression?[Phoebe] Poly.[Phoebe] And I go, no.[Phoebe] And I totally understood.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] I mean, yes, could be.[Phoebe] But for us, no.[Phoebe] And that was my fear.[Phoebe] And so the gym analogy would be just because you like working out,[Phoebe] you go to the gym six days a week.[Phoebe] Doesn't mean you're going to be competing in bodybuilding competition.[Unknown] Right.[Phoebe] You may not want to do that.[Phoebe] You just may want to do it for yourself.[Phoebe] And that's good enough.[Phoebe] Or you may want to go compete and take it to that next level.[Ed] So I get what you, what you do with the workout is entirely up to you.[Ed] Exactly.[Ed] This, this episode is really fun because we started soft swap because it was comfortable.[Ed] And we knew what our boundaries were.[Ed] But we've progressed to full swap.[Ed] And actually now we're, we're not swinging back to full soft swap all the time.[Ed] Right.[Ed] But we've started to realize that we kind of like soft swap[Unknown] because of the fun stuff that happens in it.[Ed] So there you go.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] It's elastic.[Ed] You're constantly changing.[Ed] Right.[Phoebe] And as we're going to get into the bedroom time,[Phoebe] you'll kind of see how.[Phoebe] Wow.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] So also let's get, let's get busy.[Phoebe] All right.[Unknown] So we're done with it.[Phoebe] We were touching, we were having, eventually we were touching and having sexy conversation[Phoebe] and having rural honesty about the lifestyle wandering underneath the water.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] So we get out, starting to get late, we get out, we go into the bedroom.[Phoebe] And so we're all laying on the bed.[Phoebe] And there was some, some nervousness about like, how do we get to start it?[Phoebe] You know, Ms. Rill was like, how are we usually girls and girls start?[Phoebe] So we had some, some suggestions in it.[Phoebe] What we ended up doing was giving Ms. Rill a six handed massage.[Ed] Right.[Ed] What was it touching?[Phoebe] A lot of touching.[Phoebe] And it was super sexy.[Phoebe] She really loved it.[Phoebe] It felt really great.[Phoebe] And then I was taking my hair and rubbing it up and down her legs and over her bud and between her legs.[Unknown] Right.[Ed] And I was laying on one side and Mr. Rill was laying on the other side.[Ed] And you know, she got the massage.[Ed] She was on the receiving end for a little bit.[Ed] And we were kind of touching and caressing her for a while.[Ed] And then she of course started like touching and caressing back.[Ed] Oh.[Ed] And that's kind of how it started to progress.[Phoebe] Oh, I missed that part because my head was down.[Phoebe] You were doing the hair thing.[Ed] You were busy.[Phoebe] I was mesmerized by her ass.[Phoebe] It was very nice ass.[Phoebe] She's got a very nice, very nice butt.[Phoebe] She does.[Phoebe] So then that, okay, so did that, that must have been how it progressed to hand jobs.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] So I'm giving you a hand job, Ms. Rill's giving Mr. Rill a hand job.[Phoebe] And we're just all just taking it in, right?[Phoebe] A little side by side.[Phoebe] Side by side.[Phoebe] Play.[Phoebe] I'm watching her and her techniques with him thinking I got to take notes because if the night progresses,[Phoebe] I need to know how to do what she does because he clearly likes that.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] So I'm taking notes and watching her super sexy.[Ed] And it was, it was fun listening to their conversation and was saying because she was like,[Ed] oh my god, this is so hot.[Ed] I know.[Ed] That's, that's so hot.[Ed] Like watching somebody else have sex next to you.[Ed] And it's, it's fun because it's kind of like the training wheels are coming off the bike.[Unknown] And they're like, oh my god, I can actually ride a bike.[Ed] Right.[Ed] And that, that like new, you know, fresh baby deer just wandering across the field,[Ed] little wobbly legs.[Ed] It's so cute and endearing.[Ed] And it's, it's kind of refreshing because you get a little, not, not jaded, but familiar.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Ed] Like we're, we're to the point where it's just like, take the clothes off.[Ed] Not quite, but close.[Ed] Put the condom on and just start going at it.[Ed] It's not like that.[Ed] I mean, there's obviously some foreplay.[Ed] We love foreplay and lots of, you know, touching and, and whatnot.[Phoebe] But that sense of discovery for the first time, that's what's really, it's that new,[Ed] it's that new swing or smell.[Ed] Oh my god.[Phoebe] It's that, I remember what that was.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Oh my goodness.[Phoebe] Oh, yeah.[Phoebe] So then, then we progressed to blow jobs.[Phoebe] So I'm giving Ed a blow job and Ms. Reels giving Mr. Reel a blow job.[Phoebe] And that was even more sexy if you could imagine her lips wrapped around his cock was so damn sexy.[Phoebe] Something about her lips.[Ed] Freaking distracting, trying to figure out, should I watch you giving me a blow job or watch[Ed] her giving him a blow job because that's hot.[Ed] Like I'm watching the porn or I'm like experiencing the porn.[Unknown] God.[Ed] What am I supposed to do?[Ed] Which of course is the, you know, million dollar problem with swinging, which is being distracted.[Phoebe] Oh yeah.[Phoebe] Experience or watch.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] I know.[Phoebe] So this went on for, ooh, oh, a little while.[Phoebe] It was so good.[Phoebe] It was so good.[Ed] I see.[Ed] A little, a little build up going.[Unknown] I can see it.[Phoebe] Lips on a penis.[Phoebe] Oh.[Phoebe] And so then we decided, I think at some point, we just decided to swap partners.[Unknown] Yeah.[Phoebe] And so I, myself and Ms. Real had a conversation early on about using a condom for oral and for[Phoebe] play.[Unknown] Sure.[Phoebe] Now they weren't ready for full swap.[Phoebe] So it was going to be a condom for oral.[Phoebe] But the condom wasn't for safety.[Phoebe] The condom was a sense of security for her.[Phoebe] She wanted to use it because it seemed less intimate if it was used.[Ed] Right.[Ed] It's that symbolic barrier because, and I, I was still getting a blow job.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] But it's less intimate.[Phoebe] I get it.[Phoebe] I, I get, I get it.[Phoebe] I understood it.[Phoebe] I was happy to comply.[Phoebe] I was like, that's fine.[Phoebe] And I, we've done that with another.[Phoebe] We've done that with another couple.[Ed] It was fantastic.[Phoebe] Oh, it was.[Ed] Yeah, it was good.[Ed] I never asked you about that.[Phoebe] As they say.[Phoebe] So this thing is a bad blow job.[Ed] There are.[Unknown] But here's why we sail on Virgin.[Guest] It's adults only.[Unknown] No kids screaming at breakfast.[Unknown] No family buffet lines.[Guest] Just champagne at noon.[Guest] Late night pool parties.[Unknown] And people who actually want to be there.[Guest] The vibe.[Unknown] Think boutique hotel that happens to float.[Guest] Tattoo parlors, drag brunch.[Guest] Restaurants you'd actually pay for on land.[Guest] Plus when you're looking to connect with other couples who know how to have fun.[Guest] Let's just say Virgin attracts a very specific type of adventurous.[Unknown] No wonder bread cruisers here.[Guest] Just your people.[Unknown] Yeah, I can imagine.[Phoebe] But you probably haven't had too many in the lifestyle.[Phoebe] Bad blowtops.[Ed] No, not too many in the lifestyle.[Ed] I had a few in my life.[Ed] But yeah.[Unknown] And what was I going to say about the blow, John?[Phoebe] I got last track.[Phoebe] Anyway, it was fabulous.[Phoebe] Wait, it was fabulous.[Phoebe] Okay, so here.[Unknown] Rewind.[Phoebe] We swap.[Phoebe] I'm giving Mr. Real a hand job.[Unknown] Miss Real.[Phoebe] It's got the condom.[Phoebe] She gets it on you.[Phoebe] First time she ever put a condom on.[Ed] She was saying that.[Ed] She was like, a penis at all, right?[Ed] Use condoms.[Ed] I'm sure she'd use them in the past, but it's probably been a while.[Phoebe] So that was kind of fun.[Phoebe] And so then the condom's on you.[Phoebe] She's giving you head, which was really now I'm watching her give you head and watching her lips on your penis.[Phoebe] And I was really impressed with that.[Phoebe] And that was really exciting and really hot.[Phoebe] And I'm stroking Mr. Real.[Phoebe] And we're just very fixated on Miss Real and what she's doing.[Phoebe] It's very mesmerizing.[Phoebe] And at some point, we took a little break.[Phoebe] And I want to give it to Mr. Real because he's like a race horseman.[Phoebe] He was like, ready to go.[Phoebe] You could tell he was just ready to go.[Phoebe] And he was like, I can see you're a little frustrated with the stop and start and kind of holding back.[Phoebe] But I appreciate his dedication to just sticking to the plan because the plan was to just go slow that night.[Phoebe] And not go any further than what they said they wanted to do.[Ed] He stayed in the boundaries.[Ed] He stayed in the lane.[Ed] He didn't push up against the fence.[Ed] He wasn't trying to get out.[Ed] It just happened.[Ed] It did.[Phoebe] It's hard because he was a little distracted.[Phoebe] I could tell.[Phoebe] And he seemed a little worried.[Phoebe] But that's fine.[Phoebe] I mean, it didn't distract or much from the experience.[Phoebe] I mean, it just, you notice it and you just move on and do something different.[Ed] And he was mostly asking questions about, you know, was she okay?[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Was this okay?[Guest] And both of them were both like, yeah, yeah.[Guest] Yeah, this is good.[Ed] It's fun.[Unknown] And like in general, they were having more fun than I think they thought they were going to have.[Ed] I think so too.[Phoebe] I think so too.[Ed] They're like, wow, this was actually a lot of fun.[Unknown] Yeah.[Phoebe] And kissing was off the table too, sort of.[Ed] Like the deep passionate make out was off the table.[Ed] The edge kind of kissing.[Ed] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Ed] Oh my god.[Ed] I had the real back.[Phoebe] But you could kill you two, three kisses.[Phoebe] And then, you know, like, there was a little bit of kissing going on, so it was good.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Unknown] It was good, but not the full on.[Phoebe] But that was fine.[Phoebe] And then during the, somewhere during the evening, they took a couple breaks in the bathroom,[Phoebe] a little powwow to see touch base.[Phoebe] Probably to check in.[Ed] Check in.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] You don't know what happened in the secret.[Phoebe] No, we don't.[Phoebe] We didn't ask.[Phoebe] Food wise.[Phoebe] And our place, if they wanted to share, they would have.[Phoebe] So, yeah, we just gave them the space.[Unknown] And you and I just played at one point after the second powwow, or during the second powwow,[Phoebe] I decided that you needed a finger me.[Phoebe] And because I really wanted to squirt.[Unknown] Well, yeah.[Ed] And they kind of took a break when I decided I was going to penetrate you.[Ed] And we've skipped one of the hottest parts of the whole freaking evening.[Ed] Oh my god.[Ed] What's I'm going to go through right now?[Phoebe] Okay.[Ed] So, you know, low jobs and condoms are all fun and nice.[Ed] But there was a point at which I needed to fuck something.[Ed] Someone.[Unknown] Anything.[Ed] And so I.[Ed] What's that there?[Ed] I peeled the condom off.[Ed] And lubed up.[Ed] And Phoebe was going down on Mrs. Real at this.[Ed] And so she's face down.[Ed] Oh, yes.[Ed] With her face in her pussy.[Ed] And just go into town and having a good time.[Ed] Oh, yes.[Ed] This was so good.[Ed] And I said, that looks really good.[Ed] I'd like to play too.[Ed] Oh, that was so good.[Ed] So I climb up behind Phoebe and insert myself into the situation.[Ed] That was good.[Ed] And what was what was fucking hilarious was I'm I'm fucking Phoebe.[Ed] And every time I thrust into her, I push her face into Mrs. Real's pussy.[Ed] Yeah.[Unknown] So Mrs. Real is getting basically tongue fuck proxy fucked by me.[Ed] Yes.[Ed] And it was it was hot.[Ed] And she was like, oh my god.[Ed] Mrs. Real was just beside herself.[Ed] Beside herself.[Ed] She was like, oh my god.[Ed] This is so hot.[Ed] This is the hottest thing I've done.[Phoebe] And then she's giving head to her real.[Ed] And she decided at that point.[Ed] She was like, this is really hot.[Ed] I need a dick in my mouth.[Guest] Right.[Guest] And then I said, and then I said it's like the sexy version of centipede.[Unknown] Which I almost lost my erection at that point.[Ed] Sorry.[Ed] But then, you know, I recovered.[Ed] But that, that kind of dynamic with like the whole daisy chain thing going.[Ed] Yes.[Phoebe] Oh my god.[Unknown] It's so hot.[Phoebe] That was, that was, that was hot.[Ed] And it was, it was shortly after.[Unknown] Oh, and we got to a point where, gosh, what was going on?[Ed] Oh, it was later.[Ed] Anyway, there was a point at which I was fucking Phoebe.[Ed] And behind her.[Ed] But I was holding Mrs. Real's hips because they were kind of spooning.[Ed] Oh.[Ed] And so I was thrusting into Phoebe at the same time grabbing Mrs. Real from the front.[Ed] And so she could feel me pushing through Phoebe.[Ed] It was fun.[Phoebe] So that was really fun.[Phoebe] That was really good.[Phoebe] And then we all got to switched positions.[Unknown] And I was on the edge of the bed on my back.[Phoebe] Ed was inside of me.[Phoebe] And then Mrs. Real was licking my pussy at the same time.[Phoebe] That Ed was inside me.[Guest] Oh my god.[Unknown] It felt so good.[Phoebe] It was so fucking hot.[Phoebe] The way her tongue was crossing over the top of my clit where the root is.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Now, that's one of those positions slash combinations of people that you can't do with two people.[Ed] You have to have a third person to get that.[Ed] Right.[Ed] You can't eat your own pussy at the same time.[Ed] Right.[Ed] You're being fucked.[Ed] And I'm not that flexible to be able to eat and fuck at the same time.[Phoebe] And this is the beauty of having sex with other people because you get extra.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] There's assistants for things that you can't reach, which is super cool.[Ed] Now we'll say trying to have sex at the same time someone else's head is down.[Ed] I know.[Ed] A little awkward and I didn't give her a concussion.[Phoebe] I was wondering how that all worked with the head and you were still inside me.[Ed] It was challenging.[Ed] But you were up for the challenge.[Ed] I know.[Ed] I was up for the challenge.[Ed] I'm always up for that challenge.[Ed] And of course, too, it's also really tempting to pull out and stick it in her mouth.[Ed] We weren't doing that that night.[Ed] No.[Ed] But like that's usually the other thing that goes on.[Phoebe] We haven't done that.[Phoebe] Stick it in me.[Phoebe] Stick it in a mouth.[Phoebe] Stick it in me.[Phoebe] Stick it in a mouth.[Ed] That'll be fun.[Phoebe] See?[Phoebe] There's another thing for the list.[Phoebe] That'd be fun.[Phoebe] Yes.[Unknown] Oh my God.[Unknown] So much fun.[Phoebe] This is the stuff that happens.[Phoebe] Like so much great stuff happens.[Phoebe] And then you forget some of the details.[Ed] And this was only…[Ed] We were going to board this the day after the next morning when it was all fresh in her head.[Phoebe] And literally this has only been four days ago.[Phoebe] I know.[Phoebe] So yeah.[Phoebe] There you go.[Ed] Clearly we need to repeat it so that the memories are fresh and…[Phoebe] We just need to do the day after…[Phoebe] The morning after.[Unknown] I know.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] Or we just set the mics up in the room and we just record…[Ed] We have threatened to do that.[Phoebe] We have threatened to do that.[Phoebe] That'll be hot.[Phoebe] Ooh.[Phoebe] That'll be our Patreon.[Ed] If you're interested in listening to…[Guest] Some live sex.[Ed] Some live sex recorded.[Ed] Let us know in the comments or email us and tell us all about it.[Ed] Brown chicken brown cow.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] Okay.[Phoebe] So then after that there was…[Phoebe] I'm distracted.[Ed] What are we doing?[Phoebe] Well, you were making me squirt.[Phoebe] Which was fabulous.[Ed] They had taken a break.[Ed] We continued sex because they were talking and we were fucking.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] That's what we were in the mood for at the time.[Phoebe] Oh yeah.[Phoebe] Oh God.[Ed] It's so good.[Ed] We got a towel out and some fingering was going on and some squirting.[Ed] Both of them kind of got down into the splash zone to see what was going on.[Ed] That was fun.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] I'm always happy to initiate a new couple into the splash zone.[Ed] The splash zone.[Phoebe] Get them.[Phoebe] What is that?[Phoebe] Pop ties.[Phoebe] After that then we got up, tiled off and kind of wrapped up at that point.[Phoebe] We did.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] The evening was a little late and Miss Rill wanted to kind of…[Ed] I think they needed to reconnect and I think they wanted to have some them time for a little[Ed] bit.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] So of course I committed to taking care of you when we got back but continued the evening[Phoebe] later.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] And they may have had an early morning too.[Phoebe] I just didn't know.[Phoebe] But I could tell it was winding down and we needed to go.[Phoebe] So we did.[Phoebe] We thanked them and off we went.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] And we've got plans with them for the rest of the summer and trying different things and[Unknown] it should be great.[Phoebe] I'm so excited.[Phoebe] So if you haven't figured it out, Ed and I love all kinds of sex whether it's soft or[Phoebe] full.[Phoebe] And it seems that soft swap lends itself to a lot of creativity that full swap cannot unless[Phoebe] you're with a swing ship couple.[Phoebe] Full swap in a group tends to be regularly predictable where soft swap has the element of[Phoebe] surprise and exploration that can change at any moment.[Phoebe] We encourage you to not discount those couples that only want a soft swap.[Phoebe] You may be in for a really good time.[Phoebe] So get a little creative in the bedroom and have some fun.[Ed] The Swinger University needs your help.[Ed] If you like our podcast, let the world know or at least tell a fellow Swinger or two.[Ed] Not only will you be helping us, you'll be helping your fellow Swing lifestylers.[Ed] Please rate and review us on Apple, Google and Amazon podcasts.[Ed] You can share your favorite episodes on social media where at TikTok, at Swinger University,[Ed] Twitter and Instagram at SwingUpodcast.[Ed] Email us at Swinger University at gmail.com and visit our website at SwingerUniversity.com[Ed] where you can find more information as well as visit our affiliates page to get a free[Ed] 30-day membership at Cassidy.com.[Unknown] Thank you for listening to Swinger University, your horizontal enrichment podcast.[Ed] Oh, one last thing before you go.[Ed] If this 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