Nipple Play & Nipple “O”s

[Guest] Welcome to Swinger University, your horizontal enrichment program.[Guest] Learning never got you hot like this.[Guest] Here are your hosts, Ed and Phoebe.[Unknown] Hi, this is Ed.[Phoebe] And this is Phoebe.[Ed] This is our final episode for May's masturbation month, and we're talking about[Ed] nipple and ariola play.[Ed] So we're going a little north of the equator.[Ed] Plus nipple gasms.[Ed] We even read that some women can have nipple gasms from nipple play alone.[Ed] Uh-huh.[Ed] This sounds fascinating.[Phoebe] I know, right?[Phoebe] This is so cool.[Phoebe] So here are some really fun facts.[Phoebe] Your nipples and ariolas have a large number of nerve endings, duh.[Phoebe] Just like your clitoris.[Phoebe] So almost as many, not as many as your lips, if you've listened to that episode on kissing.[Phoebe] But just as many as your clitoris or almost as many as your clitoris.[Phoebe] That's pretty good.[Phoebe] That's pretty damn close.[Phoebe] That's pretty good.[Phoebe] When your ariola and nipples are stimulated, the hypothalamus, which is in charge of the chemicals[Phoebe] that make us all horny as well of a bunch of other stuff.[Phoebe] But horny is the top of care.[Ed] We don't really care about the other stuff.[Ed] Yeah.[Phoebe] We do care about the horny.[Phoebe] Yes.[Unknown] Yes.[Unknown] You're…[Phoebe] And now I lost all that context.[Phoebe] I know.[Phoebe] I know.[Phoebe] It's the horny.[Ed] I said the horny in your head.[Phoebe] The hypothalamus is stimulated in the same way as if you're vagina or vulva area and clitoris.[Phoebe] Are stimulated.[Phoebe] So in the hypothalamus, nipples, ariola, vulva, clitoris, same.[Phoebe] Equal.[Ed] Hot line.[Ed] Horny.[Ed] Directly to the hypothalamus.[Unknown] Yes.[Phoebe] Horny.[Phoebe] All horny.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] And as women, when our hormones changes during menstruation, the breast sensitivity and tenderness[Phoebe] increases, which heightens a rousal, which was completely true for me.[Phoebe] Oh my God.[Phoebe] My nipples were so sensitive right before my period started.[Phoebe] And oh my God, it felt so good when they were played with.[Phoebe] But you had to be kind of careful because they were almost hypersensitive.[Phoebe] It was fabulous.[Phoebe] Done in the right way.[Phoebe] It would feel really good.[Phoebe] But I remember getting in the shower during that time and they were like hypersensitive.[Phoebe] Just the beads of water hitting it was painful.[Ed] Right.[Ed] So if you've got one of those massaging shower heads, it could be a bit of a taser action going on.[Unknown] Right.[Phoebe] This was really interesting.[Phoebe] I had no idea this happened.[Phoebe] Your breasts kind of increase by as much as 25% during sexual arousal.[Ed] Wow.[Ed] So increased blood flow, circulation improves and the tissue swells to kind of.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Wow.[Unknown] I don't know.[Ed] They pump when you cook them.[Unknown] You what?[Ed] They plump when you cook.[Phoebe] 80% percent of women report to have sexual arousal from nipples stimulation.[Phoebe] That is a lot of women.[Phoebe] And that surprised me because in the lifestyle, I meet a lot of women that don't have or express[Phoebe] that they don't have much nipple stimulation.[Ed] But there's also a fairly high percentage of women with breast augmentation in the lifestyle.[Ed] That's true.[Ed] And it may be ruined.[Unknown] We know that that can adversely or positively affect nipple play in stimulation.[Unknown] True.[Ed] Women become more sensitive or desensitized.[Ed] Right.[Unknown] Yeah.[Phoebe] You could have nerve damage that doesn't come back and lose that sensitivity.[Ed] Right.[Ed] And I've played with a few women like that where you could practically tear them off and they wouldn't even know.[Ed] Right.[Ed] Now that I've done that.[Phoebe] The next statistic is for men.[Phoebe] And I'm going to let you read that because I was also surprised by this number.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] 52% of men report some amount of sexual arousal stimulation from nipple play.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] I am not one of them.[Unknown] I mean.[Ed] As much as I try.[Ed] My nipples are sensitive.[Ed] Right.[Ed] But you don't like it.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] It's almost two.[Ed] It's like annoying.[Ed] Sticking a finger in my ear.[Ed] It's just not.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] I don't know.[Phoebe] And all my partners have had that same reaction where it's like, yeah, it doesn't happen for me.[Phoebe] It's almost, yeah, like the finger in the ear, like it's just kind of annoying.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] But I did have a partner once when we were swinging.[Phoebe] He really liked it.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] And I was super excited because I was like, whoa, I get to play with something now.[Phoebe] It was fun.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] Nipples are awesome.[Unknown] I'm not asking more because there might be more men in a lifestyle that I just don't[Phoebe] know about.[Ed] But according to this, 52%.[Ed] Right.[Ed] Half the guys that we have play time with could potentially be in the mood.[Phoebe] And to start asking more.[Phoebe] Because that's fun.[Phoebe] Because then I can't incorporate the blowjob and the nipple play.[Unknown] And really, like, just get them all dialed up.[Ed] Get on top and lean over and suck on his nipples.[Phoebe] It is, it is.[Unknown] I will say a little not odd, but it's definitely different than sucking on a woman's breasts[Phoebe] and nipples.[Phoebe] It's, it's more sensual.[Phoebe] And so when you suck on a man, a man's nipples, it feels like, I don't know.[Ed] Oh, it's like you're looking a light switch.[Ed] Like on a flat wall.[Phoebe] I don't know.[Phoebe] It's like a sensation that's almost wrong.[Unknown] Like I should be, I don't know.[Ed] Right.[Ed] It's like contrary.[Phoebe] It should be a woman.[Phoebe] It should, it should feel like woman, but it's not.[Ed] Now, does that have anything to do with the hairy nipples in your mouth?[Ed] No.[Phoebe] Okay.[Phoebe] No.[Phoebe] They're just smaller and more hard.[Phoebe] Okay.[Phoebe] I thought maybe it was just not a soft surface to like squish your mouth around.[Ed] I am all about boobs.[Unknown] So I hear you.[Unknown] Oh, my goodness.[Phoebe] So yeah, for, for me, nipple play is key to my orgasms and nippy twist equals happy clit.[Unknown] Yeah, you definitely have that time during sexual play where playing with your nipples is[Ed] kind of key.[Ed] And either you'll do it yourself or having a partner do it.[Phoebe] I always do it during masturbation when I masturbate, I always do it.[Ed] I have noticed that.[Phoebe] Always.[Ed] It just gives me over.[Ed] I, when I'm fingering you or, you know, trying to make you squirt, I am almost always sucking[Ed] on your breath at the same time because it gives me something to do with your mouth with[Ed] my mouth.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Like you need more.[Phoebe] I get a multi-tasked.[Unknown] All right.[Phoebe] So for men, you, you're talking about this one because this was, this was kind of fun.[Ed] Men also enjoy nipple play, however, their nipples are not as sensitive as women's nipples,[Ed] which is interesting because the head of the penis is also about a quarter as sensitive[Ed] as a clitoris in terms of like quantity of, of nerve ending.[Unknown] So.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] So that 52% was kind of fascinating because if it's half of look clitoris, it's, it's[Phoebe] pretty good percentage.[Unknown] Yeah.[Unknown] I know.[Ed] And men can have nipple, nipple orgasms too.[Ed] And you could try some of the techniques that we're going to go into.[Ed] And I mean, you know what, it's worth a try.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] If you've never tried it, try it, try it at least once.[Unknown] Yeah.[Unknown] I really bummed that you don't like it, but I can't make you like it.[Phoebe] You don't like it.[Phoebe] It doesn't feel good.[Phoebe] It doesn't feel good.[Ed] You know, and I'm also not a big fan of, of having my balls sucked on either.[Phoebe] I know.[Phoebe] And you will, you will let me do it every once in a while because I love that.[Phoebe] I feel so good.[Phoebe] I have to be very gentle and slow because you're like, you're afraid of, it's like you're,[Unknown] you're afraid.[Ed] It's like I've been kicked in the nuts before.[Phoebe] Oh, yes.[Phoebe] Several times.[Ed] Yes.[Unknown] And in Costa Rica, shout out to spider monkey.[Unknown] Sorry.[Unknown] Sorry.[Phoebe] I don't do it.[Phoebe] How do we do it?[Phoebe] It's like a clitoral massage.[Phoebe] You don't attack it.[Phoebe] You want to romance it.[Phoebe] I hate slow and steady.[Unknown] Right.[Phoebe] So if you're, you know, you can do it by yourself.[Phoebe] You can do it with a partner.[Phoebe] But you want to take the time to wake up your skin, wake up your senses.[Phoebe] Start with your torso, you know, the sides of the breasts.[Phoebe] I love that to the sides.[Ed] I love nibbling on the sides of your breasts.[Ed] That's, that's a lot of fun.[Phoebe] You can even, you know, go down in between your thighs and inside of the thighs, wake up[Phoebe] the skin down there, right?[Phoebe] And, and lightly, you know, with gentle strokes, just touch, touch your skin, start waking[Phoebe] it up.[Ed] I, I love the fingernail drags, you know, the back of the fingernails.[Phoebe] That feels really good.[Ed] Right.[Ed] Lists of a scratching and more of like dragging your fingers across, you know.[Phoebe] And then you could, you can do the little finger scratches that I, I actually like on the[Phoebe] side.[Phoebe] I kind of alternate between dragging and scratching.[Phoebe] It's really, really nice.[Phoebe] It's, it's different.[Phoebe] It's subtle, but it's different.[Ed] So what you're describing is basically stimulating the other erogenous zones behind the[Ed] knees, the thighs, the sides, the sides of the breasts.[Ed] So yes, instead of gentlemen or ladies, instead of attacking the, the nipples directly[Ed] or the clit directly, yes, we're kind of stimulating the whole woman behind the ears,[Unknown] the neck, the scalp, down the throat, yeah, feeling it, loving it, collar bones, collar[Phoebe] bone.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] That was very good.[Phoebe] I like that demonstration of it.[Phoebe] It was demonstrating.[Phoebe] It was very nice.[Ed] Touching myself.[Phoebe] So, so you can even do like the little finger palpitations where you're just like kind[Unknown] of beating your hand like that.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] That's really fun.[Phoebe] I like that too.[Phoebe] And, you know, you get goosebumps.[Phoebe] I like the gooseies.[Phoebe] When I get the gooseies, that feels so good.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] The skin tightens up and you're bringing all that blood to the surface.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] And that's exactly what happens and that's why it feels good.[Phoebe] So starting with the ariola, after you've, you know, you've engaged the whole body,[Phoebe] right?[Phoebe] Now you're focusing on the ariola and you can focus with one hand and one ariola before[Phoebe] you engage both hands and both ariolas, right?[Phoebe] So I like to start with one hand, one ariola, and it's fun to give just one side of your[Phoebe] body attention because you start to feel the other side.[Phoebe] I always call it jealousy.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] And I tell you that.[Phoebe] I'm like, okay, you need to switch because my other nipples jealous, right?[Phoebe] And it's just craving to be touched.[Phoebe] Just screaming out.[Phoebe] It's kind of the same sensation that you have when you get a massage and they're rubbing[Phoebe] on one side or they're rubbing in a part of your back where you're, you're like, oh[Phoebe] my God, can you just move your hand over to the left and the inch and like jab your elbow[Phoebe] in my shoulder blade and like get that knot out?[Phoebe] It's kind of like that.[Phoebe] So I like to start with one hand and you start teasing one ariola and then you move[Phoebe] over to the next one, right?[Phoebe] And finally you give that other one attention.[Phoebe] And you're like, oh, and there's that sense of relief and excitement.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] So and some of the ways that you stimulate the ariola, running your tongue, just the tip[Phoebe] of your tongue around the nipple, so not on the nipple, just touching it around the[Ed] nipple.[Ed] So you're doing circles around the nipple and you can even put your lips around the[Ed] nipple, but not actually make contact with the nipple, but just contact with the ariola.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] And then you kind of like, you can suck that cool air up around your lips and around the[Phoebe] ariola so that it kind of cools the nipple, which causes it to tighten and yeah, sucker[Phoebe] up.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Yep.[Ed] And the ice, you can use ice, which is really, really ice, which you just figured out at[Ed] the last house party that we were at, and that's actually in one of our Patreon episodes[Ed] where we were talking about this.[Ed] We never play with ice because I just never jumped through the roof any time I touched[Ed] you with cold hands.[Phoebe] That's true.[Ed] Which is why it just assumed ice was off the table.[Ed] Yeah.[Phoebe] Like, why would it just didn't occur to us?[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] And then we had a lovely lady whip out some ice on your nipples on your ariolas.[Ed] Specifically.[Ed] In the kitchen.[Unknown] And you were like, oh, oh, I like this.[Phoebe] I was so surprised it felt so good.[Ed] So you might try some of this stuff where you'd think it wasn't going to be good, but in[Ed] a different context or in a different area with a different thing is good.[Ed] So keep experimenting, keep trying new things.[Unknown] Yeah.[Phoebe] And there's, you can even like lick up to the ariolas, like from the bottom of the breast[Phoebe] up the side of the breast with like the tip of the tongue that licking, because it's[Phoebe] that cool saliva, you know, the wetness of your tongue.[Unknown] It's drying in the air and it's like the evaporation.[Phoebe] The evaporation.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] Feel that feels good.[Phoebe] So that's kind of like the light touching or, you know, with your tongue or your fingers.[Unknown] All right.[Ed] We need your help so that your community, the very one you love and have so much fun[Ed] with can also find our show.[Ed] Here's a really easy way to do that.[Ed] If you're listening on Apple podcasts or Spotify, hit that follow button and leave us[Unknown] a rating.[Ed] If you're watching on YouTube, subscribe and turn on notifications.[Ed] We can't emphasize enough how much this helps the swing our community and it truly is[Ed] up to you to make that happen.[Ed] It makes a massive difference in whether new listeners can even find us.[Ed] And here's the thing, when someone searches Swinger podcast, the algorithm doesn't care[Ed] how good our content is or how long we've been around.[Ed] It only cares about ratings and reviews.[Ed] We'd appreciate it and your community will really appreciate it.[Unknown] Thanks for listening.[Ed] I personally like to basically get a handful of breast and kind of nibble on the sides[Ed] where in the cleavage area and like an apple, right?[Ed] You're just kind of nibbling on it and you can pull the skin into your mouth and I like[Ed] that.[Ed] I think you like it.[Phoebe] I like it.[Ed] I also like that.[Ed] If you don't like it, I'm going to keep doing it because I really like it.[Phoebe] I also like the feather play, you know, that light, light, fluffy, you know, the feather,[Ed] the rabbit, the feathers, the, it's this tactile sensation where the dragging of the, the,[Phoebe] the whip thing that you made, the, the vlogger, the soft, leathery, vlogger, the, the, the[Phoebe] Swade.[Phoebe] Oh, feels so good.[Phoebe] What else?[Phoebe] There's this other thing, this little round wheel thing.[Phoebe] What is that?[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] So it's funny because in, in art, it's called a pounce wheel and it punches holes and little[Ed] things.[Ed] But in, and then sewing class, right?[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Because in sewing, you use one to transfer a pattern to your, to your fabric.[Ed] Right.[Ed] Well, of course, BDSM has an entirely different name for the exact same thing.[Unknown] Right.[Ed] It's probably not called a pounce wheel in, in sewing either, right?[Ed] Like everybody's probably got a different name for it, but who knows?[Ed] It's probably called a pattern wheel.[Ed] I'm making this up.[Ed] If someone knows what that's called, it could be.[Ed] But in BDSM play, it's called a Whartonburg wheel.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Ed] It's just a prickly wheel that has a handle on it and you can roll it over things.[Phoebe] The prickles may be slightly different.[Phoebe] I don't know.[Ed] They look very similar.[Ed] So, you know, yeah, the, the, the needles.[Ed] All tips on them are, are a little bit different.[Ed] And I think it's because with a pounce wheel, you're just, it's designed to actually punch[Ed] through the paper to create a pattern.[Unknown] And the Whartonburg wheel.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] It's probably, it's probably not quite as pokey because it's supposed to prickle the skin,[Ed] but not like break the skin, although sure, people are into that as well because people[Ed] learn to all kinds of stuff.[Unknown] Yes.[Ed] But yeah, it's, it's interesting to, yeah, we've played with that.[Phoebe] It, no, no, not a lot.[Phoebe] We might have to play with that some more.[Phoebe] Yeah, it's very tactile and, and I think I liked it very specific along the spine where[Phoebe] those nerve endings are.[Phoebe] That was fun.[Ed] Yeah, it was definitely get the goose bumps going.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Up the neck.[Phoebe] So great.[Phoebe] You can also use a vibrator.[Phoebe] I have a couple different vibrators that are small and you can just tease the edge.[Ed] Your rabbit in particular, which has the one I was thinking about.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] It's just, actually, it's in our Instagram feed.[Ed] There's a picture of an elf holding this particular vibrator.[Ed] If you're curious what it looks like, but it's, it's a small like pocket vibrator and[Ed] it's got two little rabbit ears off the top of it.[Ed] It's purple.[Ed] It's purple.[Unknown] It's very gentle and the ears are not firm, they're, they're a little soft and springy.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] So you get a very light, delicate kind of sexual touch to it instead of a, yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Which I love.[Phoebe] And then, you know, there's that suction one that's out on the market too.[Phoebe] The womanizer and then they have the rose.[Ed] Oh.[Ed] I know what you're talking about.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] So you could try those, you know.[Ed] It's like an air pulsing device.[Phoebe] Yes.[Unknown] Yeah.[Phoebe] Mm-hmm.[Phoebe] And then, you know, if you want to then go for another layer, you add oil or lotion,[Phoebe] right?[Phoebe] And you get that smooth text, you know, sensation around.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] And you can use with, with oil where you've got some lubrication, you can use a little[Ed] bit more pressure because it, the skin kind of slips between, so it's going to be less[Ed] pinchy.[Phoebe] Oh, yes.[Phoebe] Right.[Ed] So you can kind of massage up into the nipples and up through the ariola and around the[Ed] breasts and, and be gentle still, they're still boobs, unless you're into the whole like[Ed] grab and go, but there you go.[Ed] It's a, it's definitely more of like a kneading sensation, you know, kind of kneading[Ed] dough when you're kneading.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] That was, that was a good description.[Phoebe] It eliminates that, that pinching or grabbing sensation.[Phoebe] It's different.[Phoebe] It's just something that I'm different.[Phoebe] So oh, my God, so many options for the ariola alone.[Phoebe] We haven't even touched a nipple yet.[Ed] Let's touch some nipples.[Unknown] Okay.[Phoebe] All right.[Phoebe] So one of my favorite things is breath, breath, play around the nipple, blowing air across[Ed] the nipple, breathing on it, licking the nipple, blowing on it, yes, licking and then[Phoebe] blowing, icing it and blowing on it, you get the warm breath and the cold of the ice,[Ed] you get the evaporation from the saliva from the tongue.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] I mean, you can basically do everything you did with the ariola on the nipple, but just[Phoebe] you know, after you've done the ariola, so you could touch the tip with the vibrator.[Phoebe] You could stick the sucker on there, right?[Phoebe] Ed loves to do nibbling too and the sucking.[Phoebe] And I think you might like roll the nipple with your tongue also.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] A lot of times I'll hold it, hold the ariola in my lips and then use my tongue to kind of[Phoebe] go and make circles around the nipple.[Ed] Or just kind of big broad strokes on the top.[Phoebe] So good.[Phoebe] So good.[Phoebe] Oh, so at one point, I was actually able to like suck my own nipples, it was very far,[Phoebe] a very short period of time.[Phoebe] I can't do that anymore.[Phoebe] I wish I could still do that.[Phoebe] But if you can't do that, you know, you know, your partner can, a suction toy can,[Phoebe] one of my other favorite things to do, because we're moving on to like different tactile[Phoebe] sensations.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] So I really like rough surfaces, not too rough.[Ed] Not like sandpaper.[Phoebe] No, no, no.[Phoebe] But like the roughness of a towel, like an old, older towel, like your, your rag towel,[Phoebe] right?[Phoebe] Where it's.[Ed] I just made the face going what?[Ed] Huh?[Phoebe] It's your towel's lost.[Ed] Like I polished my car kind of towel.[Phoebe] Well, your towels, you've used it for a year, maybe two, depending on the quality of the[Phoebe] towel that you started with.[Phoebe] And it's lost some of its fluff, right?[Phoebe] And so it's a little more rough.[Phoebe] It's just that.[Ed] So it's on the sandpaper, you kind of side of, of towel spectrum here.[Ed] Oh, my goodness.[Ed] I think I can picture what you're talking about.[Ed] It's a little, it's a little worn out.[Phoebe] It's a little worn out.[Phoebe] Okay.[Phoebe] Or one of my favorites was also the, the back of a, a poultry or the back of a chair.[Phoebe] Like a chair?[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] A nice, rough, a poultry cushion.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] Hounds tooth.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] A little bit of canvassine.[Ed] Yes.[Ed] All right.[Ed] I am picturing some chapstick involved at the end of this particular procedure, because[Ed] times, yes, that does have to be applied, seeing rug burn at this point.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] And the other favorite of mine is a, a placemat.[Phoebe] So we have some plastic placemats that have some texture to them.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Ed] What's the, what's the company that, that, that, that, chill, which, yeah, they're, they're[Ed] super cool mid-century modern kind of placemats.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Softer because they don't have the, the natural fibers to them.[Ed] So I can, I picture that that's a little ridgy, Ripley, but not harsh, but not scrappy.[Phoebe] But I kind of like the idea, and I think I've already tried them, the Ikea ones that are,[Phoebe] the bamboo ones.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Oh my God.[Ed] Phoebe has just come out as being straight up, BDSM here at this point.[Ed] Oh my God.[Ed] Looking for something.[Ed] No.[Ed] Rough.[Ed] No.[Phoebe] No, that's pretty mild.[Phoebe] I mean, when you start to cross over to BDSM, which we will, but I am going to talk about[Phoebe] twisting because I really like my nipples twisted and I like them twisted pretty hard, depending[Phoebe] on the time of month and, you know, that whole thing.[Phoebe] But I do love a good twist where you just grab the area, all that and the nipple and you[Phoebe] give it a good, I don't know, it feels like a, a turn and a half kind of twist.[Ed] Probably closer to like a quarter turn.[Phoebe] Oh, okay.[Ed] It feels like a lot.[Unknown] But it feels good.[Ed] But it feels good.[Ed] You do like a, a fair amount of like pressure and too much.[Ed] Molar pressure on you.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] You know, it's not a nibble anymore.[Ed] It's kind of a, you're kind of clamping down.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Biting, but definitely a lot of flat pressure.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] Which I can't do in the lifestyle anymore because someone, I told them to like bite harder[Phoebe] and then they broke the skin and then I got an infection and that was very sad and[Ed] that, that did not, that was not good.[Ed] And that's a, that's a key distinction, right?[Unknown] Like if you bite with the front portions of your, your, your tooth range, right?[Ed] Right.[Ed] For the it forward to your insiders, they're going to cut.[Ed] Yeah, they're designed to tear flesh off of phones because we're animals eating things[Ed] from, that we just chased down on the savanna, like that's what are those front teeth[Ed] or four.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] So if you're going to bite a nibble, my recommendation is all of your mullers on the[Ed] sides, you get that thing in the corner around.[Phoebe] And so if you're coming to peak up, bite my nibble in your mullers.[Unknown] That's right.[Phoebe] Oh, my goodness.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] And so, okay.[Ed] So then we move on to clamps, which is a very similar sensation.[Ed] It's that big flat surface.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] And I've tried some of the clamps and I haven't found one that I like.[Phoebe] I, I first I tried like chip clips from your kitchen, those were way too strong.[Phoebe] Oh my God.[Phoebe] It just about tore my nipple off.[Phoebe] It hurt so bad.[Phoebe] And then I tried close pins.[Phoebe] That was not good at all.[Phoebe] I would not recommend.[Unknown] No.[Phoebe] And then we got the little, they're like a little cinch.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] It's like a, it's like a little noose, little nipple noose.[Phoebe] Nipple noose.[Phoebe] And it usually has a little gem or a fun thing on the end.[Ed] And they're cute.[Phoebe] They're cute.[Phoebe] Little feathers hanging on them and stuff.[Phoebe] Okay.[Phoebe] You know, what didn't really do anything?[Phoebe] It had some weight to it, but it didn't really, I don't know.[Phoebe] It just didn't nothing.[Unknown] It's the wrong kind of sensation.[Phoebe] Yeah.[Phoebe] It was the wrong kind of sensation.[Phoebe] And then we tried the little sucker with the o-ring where it sucks the nipple up and[Phoebe] you pop the o-ring on there.[Unknown] Okay.[Phoebe] Better.[Phoebe] Okay.[Phoebe] But again, not the right sensation that I like.[Ed] So there's a, there's a type of nipple clamp that is, um, it's a threaded, yeah, with[Phoebe] the clamp.[Unknown] With, it's a clump.[Ed] Well, there's two.[Ed] So there's one that's kind of like a normal clamp, like a, like a close pin, but instead[Ed] of using a spring to close the jaws, it uses a screw to close the jaws.[Ed] So it's a very controlled amount of pressure.[Ed] Right.[Ed] You can increase your decrease it by basically turning a knob.[Ed] Right.[Ed] Anything that's spring loaded, it clamps at that force and you can't decrease the amount[Ed] of force.[Phoebe] We tried that one.[Phoebe] The clamp and pin.[Phoebe] I don't think I liked it.[Phoebe] It was a while ago.[Ed] Maybe we borrowed some, but I don't think we've ever owned any like that, but I have heard[Ed] that that is the best way to get the right amount of pressure because it's controlled.[Ed] It's a very, it's very finger controlled.[Phoebe] We just need to design a new nipple toy that twists your nipples, I don't know how,[Phoebe] but that would be it.[Ed] We may need to invest in some, some different nipple clamps just to try some different things[Unknown] out.[Phoebe] And then people have piercings for that added stimulation.[Phoebe] I won't do that just because I'm afraid, but, but people love it.[Phoebe] So you had yours pierced.[Ed] I have had several things pierced in my 20s and so, but why did you do the nipple piercing?[Phoebe] It wasn't for a sensation thing because obviously you don't like your nipples played with.[Ed] It was an aesthetic thing for me at the time.[Ed] And it was also, I couldn't decide what kind of tattoo I wanted early on.[Ed] And I said, you know what?[Ed] If I get a piercing, if I don't like it, I can pull it out.[Ed] If I get a tattoo that I don't like, I'm going to have a very painful, expensive process[Ed] to have it removed.[Ed] So for me, it was the first attempt at like body modification, having some adornment, but[Ed] it was easily reversible.[Ed] And I had both of my nipples pierced.[Ed] And I actually really liked it aesthetically, it looked really cool, but I wore a messenger[Ed] bag all the time that rubbed across it.[Unknown] And one of them was always just, it went, it went from irritated to like, just fucked[Phoebe] up.[Unknown] Yeah.[Ed] And so eventually I was just like, I'm done, I'm tired of this.[Ed] It's not worth it, but I still have my other piercing, which is your Prince Albert, quite[Ed] a fun little party trick.[Phoebe] It's so sexy.[Phoebe] So would you ever get your nipples pierced again?[Ed] Probably not.[Ed] Probably not.[Ed] Although I don't wear the messenger bag anymore, but I still kind of do though when I'm out.[Ed] That's true.[Ed] Shooting and carrying backpacks and things like that.[Ed] Yeah.[Unknown] Probably not.[Ed] I'm over that face.[Ed] Joe or that face.[Ed] I went full tattoo.[Ed] That's true.[Unknown] You're all in now.[Phoebe] So now that you've done the aerial, you've done the nipple theoretically, you are pretty[Phoebe] aroused by now.[Phoebe] And you probably subconsciously start incorporating your whole body at this point, you know, you[Phoebe] can, your hips, for me, my hips will start rocking, I'll start moving my body, like, you[Phoebe] know, key goals, I'll start clenching, right?[Phoebe] So if it's not intuitive, do it anyway, because it's going to feel really good, you just[Phoebe] start getting everything going.[Ed] Right.[Ed] And so this is a, this is a really good example of how four plays really cool.[Ed] And if, and if you're, if you're a full swap couple and you go straight to the, you[Ed] know, PIV, penis in vagina, and you're skipping for a play, or you, you do a little, a[Ed] little kissing and you suck on the nipples, there's a blow job and then boom, you're straight[Ed] to the penetration, maybe slow down a little bit, try some of this other stuff.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] Yeah.[Ed] We all get excited.[Phoebe] I get it.[Phoebe] It's hard, it's hard to, to, to rain yourself in and like, slow down, it's that, you[Phoebe] know, savoring the chocolate cake and not just devouring it, right?[Ed] And I think this is where the, the kink community actually kind of has it right, because[Ed] it's the whole sensation, skin stimulation, the flogging, the, the rubbing, the, right,[Ed] like you're basically opening all of those nerve endings up before, you know, that's[Unknown] all like the four play, the build up and then you like have crazy sex or not.[Phoebe] I remember that first experience, one of the allure's parties on the St. Andrews cross,[Phoebe] where I, we were an observer in the audience, there was a woman on the cross and her boyfriend[Phoebe] was flogging her and I was just enthralled.[Phoebe] Of course, I was in the front row.[Phoebe] Right.[Phoebe] Well, first.[Phoebe] Watching.[Phoebe] And he kept looking at me and I kept looking at her and then I was making eye contact[Unknown] with him and then at some point I, I, I said, can I come up and touch her and he's,[Phoebe] he said, well, ask her.[Phoebe] And so then I went up and I asked her and she's like, yes.[Phoebe] And so then I, he'd flogged for a while and then I'd, then I'd rub it out, right?[Phoebe] And I rub her ass and I'd rub my hands down her thighs and down her calves and then back[Phoebe] up and up her back and I'd rack over upper arms, right?[Phoebe] Because you could touch the whole back of her body.[Phoebe] She's on a cross, right?[Ed] It's fully, fully exposed.[Unknown] And then I'd stand back and then he'd just like, whew, whew, whew, flog again and then[Phoebe] I'd do it again.[Phoebe] And then he handed me a mitt, it was a rabbit for a mitt.[Phoebe] Yes.[Phoebe] And oh my God, I was so turned on.[Ed] I was, the whole room was turned on.[Ed] We'll just, we'll just leave it at that.[Phoebe] I felt like I was having an orgasm.[Phoebe] My entire body was just lit up.[Phoebe] It was the most sensual thing ever.[Phoebe] It was amazing.[Phoebe] I loved, I'll never forget that.[Phoebe] It was great.[Phoebe] Those first memories, right?[Phoebe] At the first time, those are, those are so, so fun.[Phoebe] So enjoy this experience whether you're doing it by yourself or you're doing it with[Phoebe] someone else.[Phoebe] Take that time to incorporate your whole body, you know, thrusting your hips, touching[Phoebe] yourself.[Phoebe] And you know, you might actually reach that nipple gasm, you don't know, right?[Phoebe] And if you don't, it doesn't really matter because you had a really pleasurable experience.[Phoebe] So we wish you much success with your nipple and ariola play and maybe, like I said, some[Phoebe] nipple orgasms.[Unknown] Thanks for listening.[Unknown] Oh, one last thing before you go.[Ed] If this episode helped you in any way, the single best thing you can do to support the[Ed] show is leaving a rating and review.[Ed] It takes 60 seconds and helps new people find us when they're searching for relationship[Unknown] education.[Ed] And we've made it easy.[Ed] Visit SwingerUniversity.com-forthslash-review.[Unknown] All the instructions are there.[Ed] Thank you for being part of this community.[Ed] We'll see you again soon.