Bacterial Vaginosis: How To Swing Around It

[00:03] [Guest] Welcome to Swinger University, your horizontal enrichment program, offering you the naked
facts about swinging, here are your hosts, Ed and Phoebe.

[00:23] [Phoebe] This is Ed and this is Phoebe.

[00:26] [Ed] Today we’re updating you on bacterial vaginosis or BV.
We have done more research on this important topic that seems to affect many women in the
lifestyle, we’ll be covering the following in this episode, defining BV who and how
people get BV, BV as an STI, vaginal pH, and a list of 32 items to limit your chances
of getting BV.
We got our first patron through Patreon, a special shout out to John and Angel for their
support of our podcast.
It’s super exciting for us and we’re thinking of all the different things that we really
should be doing for sponsorship and how that should work for us.
So we’re working out details and more will be coming as the days progress.

[01:27] [Phoebe] Exactly.
As we mentioned earlier, we’ll be defining BV who and how people get it, BV as an STI, vaginal pH,
and those lists, those items of 32 items that can limit your chance of getting BV.
So hang out to the end or fast forward but you’re going to miss all the interesting stuff
that’s been updated in between.
And trust me, I think I have done.
How many hours?
Well over 20 hours of research, just reading scientific journals, credible sources, not
just women’s health and men’s health, you know, those types of fluff, not that they’re
total fluff, but really diving into the articles and getting the meat and potatoes of it all.

[02:15] [Ed] These weren’t cosmopolitan articles that you were using, these were actual medical research.
And we’ve been researching and having discussions with some of our nurse friends who are actual medical professionals.

[02:29] [Phoebe] And OBGYNs, who we’ve met in a lifestyle, etc., etc.

[02:33] [Ed] So while we are not medical experts and we’re going to do our best to kind of convey this highly
medically dense content, we’re going to present it in a way that’s not so convoluted.

[02:49] [Phoebe] I hope not.
I hope not.
It’s very detailed, but detailed hat-on, which pouch, pen, paper.

[02:55] [Unknown] Yeah.

[02:56] [Ed] And for, I mean, to kind of lead into this, we know a number of women who we have talked to
over the last six months or a year who struggle.
And I mean the level and depth of their suffering with BV has, they’ve considered getting
out of the lifestyle as a direct result of it.
So this is for a lot of women.
This is really a big pain in the hoo-ha.

[03:27] [Unknown] Yes.
All right.

[03:30] [Phoebe] So what is BV?
It’s actually not classified as a sexually transmitted infection or STI, according to Planned Parenthood.
STIs are transmittable via skin-to-skin contact.
According to that CDC, BV is caused by an imbalance of your natural microflora, especially
in your gut, which I think also translates down into the vagina and we’ll get there to
that point as well.
According to the Mayo Clinic, there’s a change of the bacteria found in your vagina,
upsetting that balance, which causes this imbalance is unknown.
They’re still researching it.
It affects 30% of women in child-bearing years and occurs in women of any age.
It affects women in perimenopause and menopause.
That sweet range of like 45 to 58, which is your primer prime swing or age, right?
Kids are out of the nest.
You’ve got some expendable income.

[04:39] [Unknown] Yeah, and if you listen to most accounts, most people start swinging maybe late 30s,

[04:47] [Ed] but the big slice of the pie is people who are in their early to late 40s and older.

[04:56] [Unknown] Right.

[04:57] [Phoebe] So this perimenopause and menopause, obviously there’s a reduction of your hormones and your estrogen levels.
And that can tend to kick off some of these imbalances in your vagina.
BB is strongest after sex and menstruation due to the quick pH shift.
This happens, you know, can’t, well for me personally, it happened on the crews and at New Year’s
and at one of our other friends’ party because one, you’re using somebody else’s lube,
somebody else’s condom with spermicides.
You’ve got, you’re introducing latex with maybe you have latex sensitivity, which throws stuff off.
Don’t already say you’re using somebody else’s lube.
Yeah.
That’s going to throw that me off.
You’re in the hot tube too long, right?
You’ve got swing or suit.
People have been in there all day long.
Even though they change out the water at night, I mean, you got all day.
People in the hot tub all day long.
And those hot tubs are packed on the crews, packed, packed, packed.

[06:03] [Ed] We’re actually just listening to Black and Kinky talking about their trip to desire
and the whole, the hot tub at the end of the evening just being human soup.
So he’s more, he could see semen floating on the top.

[06:20] [Phoebe] Floating around, yeah.
Gross.
So hello.
Yeah.
50 to 75% of women do not have symptoms.
And 84% of women don’t even recognize they have the symptoms.
It’s a low grade occurrence.

[06:39] [Unknown] So you can have it, but not have the symptoms.

[06:44] [Phoebe] Right.
30 to 30% of the women get it again in three months.
And 50% will get it again in a year.
It can be passed from female to female via a sexual intercourse and female to female via man.
Monogamous relationships can break the cycle of sharing the bacteria between both partners
by using conum for about three or four months.

[07:09] [Unknown] So yeah.

[07:13] [Ed] So if you like playing with your partner without condoms, because condoms are,
we like to use condoms with our play partners.
But I don’t want to use them at home.

[07:25] [Phoebe] Yeah.
Now, I will say, when I was researching this, I did find additional resources on the female,
the female via sexual intercourse.
It’s pretty difficult to actually pass that along.
And it cannot be passed by skin, skin contact.
You really, it’s what happens really is there’s just an imbalance.
You’ve introduced enough random things into your vagina to upset your pH.

[08:01] [Unknown] Okay.

[08:02] [Phoebe] One, like I said earlier, it’s a spermicide on a condom because you never use that with your spouse.
Why?
Because you don’t need to use condoms.
Two, you’re using somebody else’s lube at their house or in a play room.
Three, someone’s got their fingers in five other women and now they stuff their fingers in you.
Well, that’s like a multitude of bacteria.
That’s all been transferred down the line over to you.
If you’re in an orgy situation like we love, you’ve got oral.
So you’ve got all the mouth bacteria.
Right.
You’ve been drinking, which upsets your pH.
Maybe you’re dehydrated.
You’ve been in the pool.
You’ve been in the hot tub.
You sat in your, like it’s all those things that you wouldn’t normally be doing.
That’s going to throw off your pH and your vagina is going to freak out.
So there you go.

[08:58] [Unknown] It’s super exciting.

[09:01] [Phoebe] According to the CDC, the cause of microbial alteration that precipitates BV is not fully understood.
And whether BV results from the acquisition of a singly transmitted pathogen is unknown.
So they just haven’t the research isn’t there.
Right.
There’s no motivation, right?

[09:20] [Ed] Well, if you look at traditionally most of the research that’s done, it’s funded by men, for men.

[09:27] [Unknown] And they just don’t think about women.
Right.

[09:32] [Phoebe] And everything is, you know, what do we get out of it, right?
So if they can get a drug or a pool out of it?
Sure.
Yeah, they’ll, they’ll, they’ll fund it.
Right.
It’s just a topic they haven’t really, no one’s really funded.
BV is associated with having multiple male sexual partners, female partners, sexual relationships
with more than one person, a new sex partner, lack of condom use, dosing, and people with
herpes, simplex virus to or genital herpes.

[10:11] [Ed] Yeah.
So, I mean, if you read through that laundry list of things, what you start to go, what you
start to realize is swing or behavior, swing or behavior, swing or behavior, new sex partner,
yep, swing or behavior.
Yes.
Okay.
So lack of condom use, maybe, maybe not dosing.
Yeah.
People with herpes, well, potentially.
Potentially.

[10:35] [Phoebe] More than 50% of the population has herpes.

[10:38] [Ed] It’s, it’s very prevalent.

[10:40] [Phoebe] Very prevalent.
Yes.

[10:42] [Ed] Very prevalent.
And speaking of individuals who have HSV2 or herpes, simplex virus 2 that have positive
antibodies are asymptomatic individuals, no symptoms, they can have virus shedding, meaning
they are actively contagious.
So, here’s the thing, you don’t have to have symptoms and you could be actually shedding
or transmitting that virus to other people, which is why, when we’ve done research on HSV,

[11:11] [Phoebe] which we’ll have another podcast on.

[11:13] [Ed] Right.
Most people are actually walking around with HSV and just don’t know that they have it.
Exactly.
And if you take a specific antibody test, you don’t know.

[11:22] [Phoebe] You don’t know.
Yeah.
You, you really don’t know.
And there’s a bunch of stigma around that and we will, we will definitely speak to
that and, and you know, what that means in a lifestyle.

[11:34] [Ed] What it means in this particular episode is you’re at a, you’ve added a contributing factor
to bacteria imbalance and this will give you a BV flare up.

[11:45] [Unknown] So.

[11:46] [Phoebe] Oh.

[11:47] [Ed] So exciting.

[11:48] [Phoebe] Yeah.
What’s important here is the majority of the population has herpes that that doesn’t know,

[11:52] [Unknown] we’d already stated that before and, and, you know, I think Ed already spoke to the

[11:59] [Phoebe] other two line items that I was just going to read to you, so there you go.
Right.

[12:05] [Unknown] I will edit that out.
Okay.

[12:09] [Phoebe] According to Planned Parenthood, having sex with a new partner or multiple partners may increase
your risk of BV.
We kind of touched on that earlier and sex sometimes leads to BV if your partner’s natural
genetic chemistry changes the imbalance of, or the balance of your vagina and causes
bacteria to grow.
This happened to me when I would change sexual partners, boyfriend to boyfriend, you know,
you know, I left, broke up with a boyfriend, right?
Right.
Then I got a new new relationship.
We decided to have sex without a condom and his semen would set off a subtle, now as
young, so my body could kind of rebound quickly.
And maybe I had BV, but I didn’t have the level of symptoms that, you know, you can get
or most people get or some people get, but I would notice a difference, right, in
odor.
And I always knew that his, the new semen would set off my body.
And after a while, you’d take my body to get used to it.
And then I was fine.

[13:17] [Ed] Well, and the other thing to think about too is, you know, this is about genital chemistry.
So any kind of chemical or, whether that’s a biological chemical, in other words, you
know, his hormones or secretions or natural pH or whatever on his cock, but it could also
be the soap that he uses or the perfume or if he’s using ax body spray, any kind of chemical
that’s being introduced into the vagina, right, or I didn’t even think about that.

[13:51] [Phoebe] The drier sheets on his underwear, that’s all over his junk, that just-

[13:57] [Ed] And tea bacterial soap, residue, I mean, there’s so many things that we have introduced
into our ecosystem, our our genital ecosystem that can really fuck up the pH.

[14:14] [Phoebe] This is why I’ve just gone perfume free, everything perfume free soap, laundry, everything,
that the clothes are washing, the towels are washing, the pH, I use the pH balance soap,
all of it.

[14:28] [Ed] And that whole fresh, forest scent that you put into your clothes may actually be creating

[14:35] [Unknown] a not-so-fresh, forest scent in your in your crotch.

[14:40] [Phoebe] Can we call my squirting ocean spray now?

[14:43] [Unknown] Hmm.

[14:44] [Phoebe] I’m going to ocean spray you.
Do you mind?

[14:47] [Ed] Fish mountain spring.

[14:49] [Phoebe] Ooh, mountain spring.
I have a- I tend to mountain spring, do you mind?
Yeah, you know, that’s- I might- I might change it up.

[15:02] [Ed] 100% organic.

[15:03] [Phoebe] Oh my goodness.
But according to other resources, this bevy cannot be passed via swimming pools or hot
tubs, even if they have enough chemicals still left in them.
However, depending on the length of time you’re sitting in that damn hot tub, three hours
at a time, over five to seven days on a cruise, then probably your likelihood is going to
be a lot higher.

[15:32] [Ed] Yeah, especially because, well, actually on the cruises, they don’t chlorinate, but at
a lot of other places, they do use chlorine still, and so that chlorinated water being
in regular contact, and you know you people are fingering each other in the hot tub,
so you’re kind of pushing, they’re fucking in the pool.
No, nobody does that.
Oh, okay, sorry.
That doesn’t actually happen.
But you’re pushing that chlorinated water up inside, which is going to kill bacteria.
That’s what chlorine does, so it’s killing the good bacteria.

[16:10] [Phoebe] Right, like an antibiotic.

[16:12] [Ed] Right.

[16:13] [Phoebe] And it’s irritating.
It’s irritating to the vagina, it’s irritating to the skin around it.
So it is important to shower and remove all that chlorinated water pool clothing immediately
when you get out of the water.
You know, just don’t go in the water with pool clothes, with costumes as they say in Australia.
Just go in, make it, and then just rinse off with soap when you’re done.

[16:38] [Ed] Yeah, the other thing to think about too, when you are in a chlorinated pool and you are

[16:43] [Unknown] having sex or fat, you know, digital penetration, that water isn’t particularly lubricated.

[16:53] [Ed] It’s kind of rough, right, that your natural lubrication washes off, and the rough texture
will also affect the walls of the vagina and the pH, etc.
So that rotation is bad too, which is also why lube and good lube is really important
when you have sex, because that lubrication is kind of key.

[17:16] [Phoebe] Protects?
Yeah, it’s like the difference of rubbing sandpaper on your lips versus chapstick or carmex
or, yeah.

[17:26] [Ed] And for those people who argue that the silicone-based lubes do work in the pools, that’s true,

[17:32] [Phoebe] that will help.

[17:34] [Ed] But it’s still got chlorine, and so you’re reducing one thing, but you’re still introducing

[17:40] [Phoebe] another.
But does the silicone cover, like, protect?
Hmm, probably not.

[17:47] [Ed] The skin and the surface, but probably not the bacteria, because that’s different.

[17:54] [Phoebe] Okay, y’all, y’all, you test that out and you get back to us.

[17:59] [Unknown] Right.

[18:00] [Phoebe] Some scientific studies are reporting Gardenela vaginalis, maybe the main bacteria, of
the four or five others that you have in your vagina, that when out of balance will result
in BV.
Gardenela, Gardenela, Gardenarella.
That’s it.

[18:20] [Unknown] Ed got it.

[18:21] [Phoebe] Alone does not cause BV.
Additionally, BV associated bacteria can be identified on male genitalia.
The treatment of male sex partners has not been beneficial in preventing the recurrence
of BV.
I’m not sure what treatment they were using, but what I found in the research was that
really making sure that you’re using a condom for, oh gosh, good three or four weeks,

[18:57] [Unknown] three or four weeks, yeah.

[19:00] [Phoebe] Because you can tend to pass it back and forth, a little bit of it will live up there in
the urethra.
Right.

[19:09] [Ed] And it gives the time for the gentleman’s natural biology to kill off the extra bacteria
get back into pH balance, get back into equilibrium before it gets reintroduced.

[19:23] [Unknown] Exactly.

[19:24] [Phoebe] All right.
So, as Ed was talking about pH balance, what the heck is it?
It’s important for a healthy vagina.
Your vagina is an acidic environment, which is healthy and normal.
The natural protection against the overabundance of an unhealthy bacteria and yeast, which can
cause infection.
So, this nice, acidic environment helps protect you.
In fact, a very healthy pH vagina kind of smells like a little like blood, like a penny
for reference.
The scale is zero to 14.
So if your pH is less than seven, it equals acidic.
If it’s more than seven, it’s basic.
Your vaginal pH, if you’re in the age of 15 to 49, should be around 3.8 to 4.5.
Your vaginal pH, when you’re menstruating, should be around 7.4 because the blood changes
your pH.
It’s important to change that pad and tampon frequently to reduce the contact of blood
sitting in the vagina.
So as you’re aging and your body’s changing and your hormones are changing and you’re
going through pregnant paws and you don’t know when you’re having a period and when you’re
not, sometimes you may want to leave that tampon in for a little longer because you don’t
know what the fuck’s going to happen because your body’s not doing its normal cycle anymore.
Don’t leave that tampon in too long.
You may want to switch over to a pad because you are going to mess up your pH by leaving
that in there too long.
So I had to make some changes when my body was changing and my cycle was changing.
Your vaginal pH after menopause is typically higher than 4.5.
It’s due to reduced estrogen.
Your vaginal walls start to thin which has less exfoliation.
You have a little more dryness and those pH levels rise which makes you a little more
susceptible to infections and inflammation.
So just that process of going into a period of menopause and menopause kind of increases
your risk.
It does.

[21:41] [Unknown] It really does.

[21:43] [Phoebe] So how do you tell?
How do you test this?

[21:49] [Unknown] All right.

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[22:50] [Unknown] Thanks for listening.

[22:56] [Ed] Amazon has the answer of course.
Yes.
Everything on Amazon.
So you can actually use pH strips for those of you who did take chemistry in high school.
There’s small little paper strips and with a swab, you can test the pH of a liquid.
So it’s pretty easy to test that.
We’ll have a link included for those pH testing strips.
If you test yourself often, but preferably after sex or after drinking or after your period,
you kind of get an idea over time of how your body is changing and reacting to those
different things being introduced.

[23:37] [Phoebe] Exactly.
And it matters because there’s discomfort or odor.
And honestly, it does increase the risk of other STIs, so you just want to be mindful
of that.

[23:49] [Ed] Right.
That natural acidic nature of the vagina actually fights off infections and fights off other
bacteria.
So it’s kind of important to maintain that natural structure.

[24:04] [Phoebe] Especially for you bear backers out there.

[24:07] [Unknown] Yes.

[24:08] [Phoebe] All right.
How does your pH get out of whack?
Diet, stress, swing or stress, you can have swing or stress.
It’s sometimes really stressful to go these events, especially when you’re new or when
you’re not new and you’re going to new venue, you know what the fuck to expect, right?
It’s a little stressful.
Your hormones are out of whack, your gut health, your period, dosing antibiotics, unprotected
sex with the semen, all that stuff.

[24:32] [Ed] We talked about anti-histamines or allergy medicine will also throw off your moisture levels
in those mucus membranes that you have, which will dry you out, which will also cause
a shift in pH.

[24:47] [Phoebe] Yes, because moisture is your friend.
Moisture is everyone’s friend.
And the act of having sex will also lower it because your body wants to get pregnant.
So as you have sex, your hormones start to change, the endorphins start to rise, your
body at least starts to lower the pH because…

[25:10] [Ed] It wants the sperm to get through.

[25:12] [Phoebe] Exactly.

[25:13] [Ed] And that’s the whole thing.
So that whole survival of the fittest thing everybody talks about.
The strongest sperm is the one that you want to get through to the egg.
So the pH balance shifts just enough so that it doesn’t kill all the sperm, but the strong
ones will still get through, but it is shifting it.

[25:33] [Phoebe] Right.
So, gosh, when you think about it, the pool, the conum, the loob, the stress, all those
unusual factors that you’ve got going on, on a swing or cruise, or a swing hotel takeover,
and then you’re having lots of sex, or maybe you have sex once, like sometimes we find
it as a swing or takeover, which is so not right.
It’s enough factors lined up in a row, 10 factors almost, where your body’s like, I give
up, I can’t handle.
I can’t deal.

[26:09] [Ed] Yep.
The vagina throws in the white flag at about day five, or day three of a five day cruise.

[26:17] [Phoebe] And yeah, you’re pretty much done, and you can’t be done, like no, you have more fucking

[26:23] [Unknown] to do.

[26:26] [Phoebe] Seaman also lowers the pH, makes it more alkaline, and so, okay, so how do I change it?
This is like the million dollar question.
Diet, probiotics, medications, hormone replacement therapy, hydration, reduce your alcohol
consumption, and I’m going to list some other things down below, and I’ve got some great
links on probiotics.
Lola makes one, and also a good clean love makes up an insert, a vaginal insert, if you
are actually having a BV flare up.
I’ve tried it.
It works great.
They also have a product that keeps your flora fauna in a healthy state.
So you know, say you, I don’t know, did some extra drinking that weekend, or had a little
extra sex, use someone’s lube by mistake, you’re like, mmm, I just need a little backup
plan.
I’m going to put in some, you know, a little protective, a little extra moisture with some
hydrolyonic acid, and the good clean love or restore balance thing.

[27:36] [Unknown] Good.

[27:37] [Phoebe] All good.
Yeah.
I tell you, I have experiment on myself so much.
You will love it.
You will love it.

[27:45] [Ed] For those of you who had heard about our Costa Rica takeover in that last play session
that we had, reduced alcohol consumption, actually has other biological benefits, including
reduction in lip swelling, growing and testicle swelling from impact and high velocity.

[28:07] [Phoebe] Yeah.

[28:08] [Ed] So cutting down on the drinking is actually good for a whole bunch of reasons.

[28:14] [Phoebe] Yes.
And hopefully not get the label of spider monkey of the playroom by the entire resort.

[28:24] [Unknown] Yeah.
Yeah.

[28:26] [Phoebe] Yeah.
Vaginal microbiota, what the heck is the heck at, please enlighten us.

[28:34] [Ed] Well, well, I’ll put my lab coat on for this one.
Perfect.
Vaginal flora or vaginal microbiome are the microorganisms that colonize the vagina.
So it’s that it’s all of those good natural things that are keeping your body moving and
fighting off infections.
Yeah.
We have good bacteria in our body that helps our body to maintain our processes and keep

[29:04] [Guest] things moving.

[29:06] [Ed] Lactobacillus dominates and creates a protective environment.
So everybody’s seen the commercials about probiotics and you know, you can get yogurt
with it and all that kind of stuff.
All of those things, whether you like it or not, we have bacteria that lives in our body
that actually keeps us alive and helps us to digest our food.
It keeps our skin.

[29:27] [Phoebe] It’s skin.
Yeah.

[29:29] [Ed] It lives on our skin.
Black.
You know, fresh.

[29:32] [Unknown] Yep.
It’s good.

[29:35] [Phoebe] And if, you know, I’m out of balance, I’m going to have some discharge or odor or itching.
You know you’re out of balance because of all some of the, or all the things, mostly
that I listed earlier, period menopause, menopause, birth control, menstruation, any shifting
or hormones, your sexual activity, smoking, diet, stress, and antibiotics.
What are the things we can do at home or at an event and location to limit your chance
of getting BV?

[30:12] [Ed] Right.
So this is the, the 20-part list of things you just shouldn’t do or should do.

[30:18] [Phoebe] Yeah.
And we’re going to go through the at-home list.
Yeah.

[30:22] [Unknown] First.

[30:23] [Ed] So first one, no dosing, like never dosing, period.

[30:27] [Unknown] Yeah, never.

[30:28] [Phoebe] No.
It’s just a marketing.
I don’t even know why.
Because it’s, it’s a money maker.
Use perfume-free detergent and fabric softener, number three, perfume and antibacterial body
wash and soaps, no, no, no.
Number four, nylon underwear and tight yoga pants can block air movement and increase
bacterial growth.
So every time I exercise, I get out of those shorts right away.
I don’t sit in that, I, I get out, I put on something dry.
I clean off the bacteria and I, I literally, my OBGYN told me to put a hair dryer, use
the hair dryer every time after I go to the bathroom to dry that environment.

[31:16] [Ed] And to be specific, to dry the vulva, the outer labia and the outer parts of the vagina.
So ladies, don’t shove the hair dryer up your hoo-haw.
That is not what we’re going to do.

[31:30] [Phoebe] I don’t know if it’s a really nice shape.

[31:32] [Ed] Leave it turned off and unplugged.
But I don’t recommend that.
And, and by the way, this goes for men too.
So we’ve been talking about bacteria being introduced into the vagina.
Your shorts will also increase your bacteria in your junk.
And if you’re introducing that into her vagina, then you’re also throwing things off.
So let them breathe, gentlemen.
Let them breathe.

[31:57] [Phoebe] Yeah.
So what do you do at Swinger Events?
I just learned, you have a special strategy that I didn’t even know about till like yesterday.

[32:05] [Ed] It’s, it’s really, it’s highly scientific.

[32:09] [Unknown] Uh-huh.

[32:10] [Ed] And I, I spent a lot of time thinking about this.
Uh-huh.
It’s great.
There’s a lot of side benefits to it as well.
Uh-huh.

[32:18] [Unknown] Mm-hmm.

[32:20] [Phoebe] Mm-hmm.

[32:21] [Unknown] Underwear.

[32:22] [Phoebe] Wait.

[32:23] [Ed] What?
Say that again.
I don’t wear underwear.

[32:26] [Unknown] I just let them hang.

[32:27] [Phoebe] Never, ever to an event.

[32:29] [Ed] No, why?
Either I’m wearing a kilt and letting things just be natural.
Uh-huh.
Or I’m not wearing underwars, because I’ve found even with cotton underwear, basically
I’m pressing the cock up against the balls and pushing all of that up against my body.
I sweat.
And.

[32:50] [Unknown] Right.

[32:51] [Ed] Most ladies don’t want to put that in their mouth.
Right.
Right.

[32:56] [Phoebe] So.
Right.
You let the air.
Go.
But they don’t circulate.
There’s no sweating.
Right.
That makes sense.
It’s kind of like underboob sweat, but it’s cock and ball sweat.

[33:09] [Ed] Yeah.

[33:10] [Phoebe] Uh-huh.
Yeah.

[33:12] [Ed] Uh-huh.
I’m not wearing underwear right now.

[33:14] [Phoebe] What?

[33:16] [Ed] Mm.
It’s summertime.

[33:18] [Phoebe] Mm-hmm.

[33:19] [Unknown] Mm.

[33:20] [Phoebe] Change your underwear or pantyliners several times a day.
Change out of your wet clothing quickly, especially if you’re sweating or, you know, like
the swimsuits, uh, install, this is number seven, install a bidet on your toilet.
You can get that on Amazon for like 50 bucks.
It’s an add-on.
We got one.
I freaking love that thing.

[33:42] [Ed] I love that thing.

[33:44] [Phoebe] Yeah.

[33:45] [Ed] It’s awesome.

[33:46] [Phoebe] At first it took me a little bit to get you a suit, but now love it.

[33:51] [Ed] And I’ll say it’s the one that we got isn’t a heated one.
It’s cold water, but you kind of get used to that and it’s actually not so bad.
It’s kind of refreshing.
It’s a little brisk at first, but especially in winter.
Uh-huh.
But it’s not so bad.
Now if you’ve got hot water, like if your toilet’s next to your sink, you can tap into the
warm water.
Yes.
Um, but even with that, like I’d be a little concerned about getting straight hot water

[34:22] [Phoebe] from the tap and spraying it up to your, it’s got to be mixed just right.
I’m sure.
Right.
We, we were going to try that, but the logistics of the bathroom wouldn’t allow for that.
So yeah, there you go.
Not till the remodel.
But it is amazing for washing off after sex or, you know, or a quick workout.
So you can’t jump in the shower right away because it’s making me dinner and I, all
I have to do, you know, I’ve just done workout.
I just hop on the bidet, rinse off, and I’m good to go for a little while.
I already talked about the hairdryer.
That was number eight.
Uh, I already talked about nylon underwear and tight yoga pants.
That was number nine, ten.
Don’t use lube that’s expired, dude, like, mmm, read that label.

[35:11] [Unknown] It does go bad.

[35:17] [Guest] Here’s why we sail on Virgin.
It’s adults only.
No kids screaming at breakfast, no family buffet lines.
Just champagne at noon, late night pool parties, and people who actually want to be there.

[35:34] [Unknown] The vibe?

[35:36] [Guest] Think boutique hotel that happens to float.
Tattoo parlors, drag brunch, restaurants you’d actually pay for on land.
Plus when you’re looking to connect with other couples who know how to have fun, let’s
just say Virgin attracts a very specific type of adventurous.

[35:55] [Unknown] No wonder bread cruisers here, just your people.

[36:02] [Ed] The important lesson there is to use all the lube up, so have sex as often as you can.
There you go.
Sure that you don’t waste lube, because it’s important to conserve.

[36:11] [Phoebe] Yeah, don’t waste that money.
Have more sex.
Yeah.
That’s it.
Exactly.
Use a lube that dispenses without touching your fingertips.

[36:21] [Ed] Right.
So the pump bottle that you don’t have to get your fingers all in it, if you’re dipping
your fingers into a bucket of stuff.

[36:31] [Phoebe] Yeah, not good.

[36:32] [Ed] Yeah, that’s not good.

[36:33] [Unknown] So, those people who really like coconut oil, there’s another reason why you don’t dip

[36:38] [Phoebe] your fingers in the lube.
So even our squirt bottle, the good clean lube, or the lola, the lola, I think has a pump.
The good clean lube comes out of a little squirt bottle.
You just squirt it down in your hand.
You don’t wipe your hand across the top.
Right.
So just think about germs.
Limit a mouth of sperm in your vagina, especially if you’re at a swing or event, and you want
to fuck a bunch of people, just tell your man, hey, maybe for the trip, just come outside
me, or come inside me twice this trip or something.
Yeah, to just be gentle.

[37:16] [Ed] Phoebe is actually advocating for pearl necklaces, facial, swallowing, it’s an important
exercise to reduce your chances of BV.

[37:29] [Phoebe] Right.
So you can continue to have sex with other people.
Right.
These are good strategies.
Right.

[37:36] [Ed] So swallowing is biologically important.

[37:39] [Unknown] Yeah.
Oh my goodness.

[37:41] [Ed] It’s not only good for your skin.

[37:43] [Unknown] It’s good.

[37:45] [Phoebe] I do like rubbing it all over me, and especially on my breasts, it’s very silky.

[37:50] [Unknown] I love watching you rub it all over.

[37:54] [Phoebe] Condoms only you and your partner have tested as a no trigger condom.
That’s number 13.
So use your own shit.
Obstetlet.

[38:04] [Ed] And to be specific, that’s condoms that you know are safe for you, not the random in
the playroom.
These, who knows where they came from and what spermicide is on them, kind of a condom.

[38:15] [Phoebe] Colored or glowed or flavored.
Yeah.

[38:18] [Ed] Right.
So stick with the good condoms that you do know where they came from.
The skins, the leelos, the…

[38:26] [Phoebe] Oh yeah, the leelos.
The mags.

[38:29] [Ed] The mags.
Trojans, also good as long as it’s not a spermisidal condom.
Right.

[38:34] [Unknown] Etc.

[38:35] [Phoebe] Exactly.
Obstained from sex, if you have BV, you and your partner will continue to pass it back
and forth.
And you can…
And…
I already said it can temporarily live in the urethra.
Fifteen.
Bork, acids, suppositories, they do seem to help with staying fresh.
I have used those.
Sixteen.
Drink more water.
Seventeen.
Use some probiotics.
I already talked about Lola, has one.
And then Good Clean Love has an insert.
It’s called BioFresh.
It’s like a homey.
It’s called BioFresh, homeopathic vaginal suppository.

[39:14] [Ed] And the BioFresh isn’t F-R-E-S-H, it’s P-H.
Yes.
Like fat.

[39:21] [Phoebe] Exactly.
Fresh.
Very clever of their marketing.
You can also try Lume Deodorant, that’s L-U-M-E.
It is aluminum and baking soda and paraben free.
And it goes anywhere a bacteria loves to live.
So I love this as I’ll rub it on my vulva and down around the backside.
When I know I’m going to be at a party with I’m not…
I don’t have any underwear on.
Oh my god, yes, I don’t wear underwear parties either.
Sometimes.
If it’s a dress that I don’t want panty lines, I just don’t wear underwear.

[40:03] [Ed] Or you really want those sparkles to show through anywhere.
Yes.
Yes.

[40:09] [Phoebe] But I don’t want to be, you know, what if I’m going from the dance floor to the playroom?
I don’t have time to really go wash up all the way back to the hotel room or the bathroom.
So I want to be fresh and clean and I don’t want to be sweaty and I want bacteria down
there.
So Lume Deodorant, you can rub on down there and it keeps you totally fresh.
It doesn’t taste like anything, it doesn’t change the pH, it’s amazing.

[40:36] [Ed] And you’re describing rubbing it onto your vulva, but you’re talking about the kind of
the outer parts.

[40:42] [Phoebe] Yes.

[40:43] [Ed] Kind of not even on the lips per se, but maybe like on the sides, I just want to see where
I’m rubbing.

[40:50] [Phoebe] No.

[40:51] [Ed] Oh.

[40:52] [Phoebe] Where do I need to rub?
Yes.
So I rub it on the sides and I rub it on the outer labia.

[40:58] [Ed] Okay.

[40:59] [Phoebe] And then down below in between, what do you call that, the perineum?

[41:05] [Ed] The taint.

[41:06] [Phoebe] That’s for you.
I think mine’s called the perineum.

[41:09] [Ed] It’s all the perineum, but it taints your pussy and it taints your butt back around

[41:15] [Phoebe] the asshole like his sweat gets back there too and who wants to be smelly back there?

[41:20] [Ed] She fingers her pucker.

[41:23] [Phoebe] I don’t and nobody else better because I don’t like that.

[41:26] [Ed] She just preferred a cock.

[41:29] [Phoebe] Yes.
It’s a stick.
Don’t stick a tongue.

[41:32] [Ed] It’s a finger and a tongue.
No.

[41:34] [Phoebe] No.
Yes.
No tongue.
No, no finger.
That’s just weird.
It teases me.
I don’t know.
I don’t like it.

[41:42] [Ed] Just give me the top.
Go bigger.

[41:44] [Phoebe] Exactly.
Exactly.
There you go.
I love it.

[41:48] [Ed] I’m not kidding.

[41:49] [Phoebe] I do.
She’s not.

[41:51] [Ed] I know.

[41:52] [Phoebe] I’m saying that for them.

[41:53] [Unknown] She’s dead serious.

[41:54] [Phoebe] I am dead serious.
Okay.
How do you get tr知?
I don’t know.
I do actually feel lazy about it.
Other than ear changes,
to estrogen, I said before.
Birth control.
You’re getting older.

[42:14] [Ed] There’s a little more dryness.

[42:16] [Phoebe] Estrogen is a lubricator.
effect lubrication. And so I would consider hormone replacement therapy. I’ve done, oh my
god, so much research on this you guys. I can’t wait to tell you about this topic. I have
interviewed eight or nine doctors. I’m switching to another doctor because I tried one doctor.
I’m firing him. Now I’m on to another doctor and I’m reading this really good book. So like

[42:42] [Ed] tune in because I can’t wait. It’s a thing. It’s legit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to be clear to
hormone replacement therapies is not your mother’s hormone replacement therapy. There have been
so many advances with with science. Right. We love science. Yes. And I am and specifically

[43:01] [Phoebe] bio identical hormone replacement therapy. Right. Not probably not the standard hormone
replacement therapy from your OBGYN because they are first and foremost a surgeon and they
really don’t have time to dedicate the amount of research to proper hormone replacement therapy
or of which I will go into in another episode. Number 21. It already spoke about it. Regular
use of allergy or medicines that have a drying effect on your mucus membranes. The vagina’s

[43:39] [Unknown] best defense internal moisture and pH balance. There you go. All right. We got through those 21.

[43:47] [Ed] Swinging location. Go for it. What do you do when you’re an event? So talk about what the 12

[43:54] [Phoebe] things you can do while you’re swinging at a location. And then once we get through the 12, we

[43:58] [Ed] are wrapping this. My new personal favorite. Reduce your alcohol consumption. Please, please reduce

[44:06] [Phoebe] your alcohol consumption. Save it. That’s the civil cool. Go find me. Save the Ed fund.

[44:13] [Ed] Save the Ed fund. Changes your blood pH and it will also dehydrate you, which is pretty key
to keeping your body functioning normally. The hydration is bad. Number two. Condoms. Use latex
free condoms. We’ve switched and used pretty much latex free condoms for two reasons. One,
I don’t have to carry two types of condoms. I encounter a lady who is latex sensitive.
I don’t have to think about it. I don’t have to look for the right thing in the bag. I just grab a

[44:48] [Phoebe] condom. Right. It’s always latex free. And they don’t taste bad. So we’ve had a couple soft
situations where they don’t want to have oral without a condom. And the latex free taste

[45:02] [Ed] great. They don’t have the rubber taste. Yeah. Less of that good year taste. Yes. Condoms without
spermicide. So please, no matter what, you probably shouldn’t be using spermicidal condoms anyway.
They’re really not good for use on a regular basis, especially in the lifestyle. Number four.
Condoms over your fingers before finger play. So we’ve talked about doing this. We haven’t actually
implemented this plan. We have condoms specifically for this. We did a few times about five,

[45:38] [Phoebe] six years ago when I was having some issues, but then I found some other techniques that worked.

[45:43] [Ed] But if you are having issues, condoms over your fingers can help.

[45:48] [Phoebe] And ladies, this is kind of cool because here’s the other technique I use. So if I’m in an
orgy situation and I see a guy just fingering another woman and he wants to come over and we’re
kissing and making out and this hand starts to move down there. I said, I’m happy if you finger
me, but I just ask, you know, could you just please wash up at the sink before? And he’s happy to go
over there and do it. I just found that’s easier to say rather than put on a condom.
It just helps reduce some of the bacteria transfer from person to person.

[46:23] [Ed] Yeah. You can restrict your oral play, especially in oral situations. That’s also another reason
why mouthwash is kind of handy to have in a playroom. So if you’re going to set up a party,
having mouthwash in the bathroom helps to kind of clean out some of those bacteria that are in
your mouth and you water-based lube. So oil-based lube’s not so good,
glycerin-based lube. So those are water-based, but they got a lot of sugar in them.
A lot of sugar, so that’s really bad for growing bacteria. Bacteria love sugar.
Oh, hell yeah. And all the bacteria, including the bad bacteria like it, so it’s not good.
Yeah, it’ll throw everything off. Number seven. No coconut oil. So those of you who believe
the coconut oil is good, it is not. Don’t put it in your hoo-ha. We have a lube episode. We
really recommend that you go back and listen to that because we talk about coconut oil and the
evils of coconut oil. Limit your hot tub time at parties. So those are an irritant.

[47:25] [Phoebe] Throws your chemical balance off and filters might not be clean. Yeah, the filters and water

[47:30] [Ed] are probably not clean. Limit your pool time in very dense people to watch the ratio. So
swim or soup. Yep, that bacteria swimming around and guess what? It’s going up inside you.
Limit your time in wet clothing. So change out of your wet clothes. Dry yourself off,
get the chlorine off of your body. That’s your gym clothes and your swimsuits. Use
hyboclin soap when washing hands before play. Now, there’s some pros and cons with this.
Hyboclin is a very bacterialy caustic substance. It kills bacteria. They use it for cleansing
wounds in the operating room before you go in. Yeah. But here’s the problem. It has a residue
and a lifespan to it. So even if you rinse it off, it doesn’t all come off. So it’s a really,
really strong. They don’t want bacteria into a wound during surgery. Right, right. Really bad.

[48:32] [Phoebe] So if you’ve washed your hands when hyboclin’s and then you’ve inserted your hands into a woman,
you are potentially killing all the good bacteria. Killing her good bacteria. So, you know, just

[48:45] [Ed] so careful. Yeah, hyboclin’s is kind of maybe a little bit like a flamethrower to kill an end.
Right. A good soap and the birthday song is probably sufficient. Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
Carry. And the last one, carry pH balance wipes to clean up after play. So Lola makes some
and good clean love does. And that what that does is it cleans the vulva. It gets the bacteria away.
So when you do put your panties on to leave the playroom, you’re not smashing all of that outer

[49:17] [Phoebe] juicy stuff back into the juicy middle. Assuming you came with panties. Yeah. That’s true.
And I always reference Lola and good clean love because I’ve tried their products extensively.
I haven’t tried anybody else’s probably because there really aren’t that many on the market that
are that friendly women friendly. And I like these companies because I know good clean love is
is a woman owned company. We don’t get any kickbacks or anything for it. I just I just love the
product tonight. And I love everything about them. And they’ve worked so well for me. And I just

[49:55] [Ed] I’m excited to share it. Yeah. And I would say your standard baby wipes may or may not work.
I tried those for a while. There’s a lot of sense in them. They’re not pH balance. They’re not
pH balance. And they’re not typically designed to wipe poop off of baby’s butts. So it’s not

[50:16] [Unknown] the same kind of thing. Yeah. It’s you know what? Your parts are a little bit more delicate spend

[50:23] [Ed] for the extra stuff. Yeah. Get out of the baby section. Get into the adult section and have
a little bit better luck with your vaginal health. So we’re going to post a bunch of this

[50:35] [Phoebe] the the list online. And the the plethora of links that we have for your own research
noodles and noodles of it. And you can you can dive in depth on that you know on this topic on
your own if you’d like. But in closing, it comes down to being aware and modifying your self-care.
If you struggle with bacteria vaginosis and getting rid of it, just know you can still engage
in the lifestyle and have a good time. It just may take a little strategy and implementation

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