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2021 got better half way through the year band the last few months have allowed us a few opportunities to relax in the company of like minded people. New Years Eve this year was one of those opportunities. We spent two nights with friends old and new to ring in the new year as well as say goodbye to the last.  

SHOW NOTES:

  1. Hotel Takeover: 2 Nights – NYE &  PJ Party
  2. NYE – Formal Fun
    1. Dancing and Sonoma Sexies
    2. Prowling the halls
    3. 4:30 AM!
  3. PJ Party and lingerie
    1. Phoebe Strip Tease!
    2. Great conversation
    3. What no penetration?
  4. Venue
  5. Lessons Learned
Transcript

[00:02] [Guest] Welcome to Swinger University, your horizontal enrichment program. Group projects were
never this much fun. Here are your hosts, Ed and Phoebe. Hi, this is Ed. And this is Phoebe.

[00:22] [Ed] Today we’re talking about our New Year’s Eve 2020-twit-twit-twit. You should leave

[00:34] [Phoebe] that in. 2021 adventures. Yeah. There were two nights to New Year’s Eve. So fun. First
night was New Year’s Eve. It was Friday night. Yeah. And then the second night was New Year’s

[00:54] [Unknown] Day, which was Saturday. And that was a pajama party. Same hotel that Elurs does their fabulous

[01:03] [Phoebe] hotel takeovers at. And for New Year’s, they usually book two wings of the hotel. I say hotel
takeover. This hotel is massive. It’s like the space station. It has like five arms off of it
at three stories tall and on each arm. And so we took up two whole wings, probably six stories
total of all these rooms. So, you know, you’ve got six to six eight hundred to a thousand
people there. There was a little smaller crowd this year because of COVID, which, you know,
I understand she did have people provide their vaccine status when they checked in. So that
helped. But, you know, a lot of people were still staying home. But anyway, still a lot
of people, hundreds and hundreds of people. I think it probably a good 600. Yeah. And this hotel

[02:05] [Unknown] is fairly large. And some of the couple of things that we’ll mention about the hotel,

[02:13] [Ed] and then we’re just going to move on because we don’t need to talk about the hotel. I know.
But one, it was fucking cold walking through the hole. Oh my God. It was like walking outside.
It was literally like there were no walls and you were outside. Yeah. The halls were that cold.

[02:32] [Unknown] You had to wear a jacket. Yeah. I, the first night I was okay because I had enough clothing on,

[02:39] [Ed] but the second night I was in PJs and a holy crap. My nipples were frozen,

[02:44] [Phoebe] horrible, ridiculous. And I was laughing because I’m like, now you know, it’s like for a woman.

[02:48] [Ed] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we have heard good news that they are starting the remodeling process

[02:56] [Unknown] on this hotel, which is great because we’ve needed it for a decade. Oh yeah. Yeah. So across

[03:04] [Ed] our fingers, knock on wood, whatever we need to do for a hotel remodel, but supposedly they’re
doing that. And we’ve seen a little bit of evidence that they’re actually doing some remodeling.
So hey, hopefully, hopefully next year, you’re after or the year after they’ll be a little bit

[03:26] [Phoebe] of an improvement. So here we go. So bright and night. We get to the hotel. We get unpacked.
We start making connections. We’re reaching out. We’re texting people. We’re kicking them.
All this stuff. Where you at? We’re at room. You have checked in yet. Is that the other thing?
What do you have to go in for dinner plans, blah, blah, blah. So we connect with our red couple

[03:50] [Unknown] and their group. And we all decide to go to dinner. Yeah. We’re going to get a little dinner before

[03:57] [Ed] and to kind of have your energy up for the party. Right. I didn’t think we were going to be very

[04:02] [Unknown] successful finding dinner anywhere on New Year’s, but we did. Yeah. We ended up at a nice place

[04:10] [Ed] and was good dinner. We had some great conversation with some new people, people we had before.
They brought some new friends. And one of them is a sex therapist. And we talked to her for a

[04:22] [Unknown] little bit. She was a great, very sexy conversation. We had a good time meeting her and a new new

[04:31] [Phoebe] person. Yes. Oh my goodness. It was fun. I know. Super excited for her. And it was. It was a fun

[04:43] [Unknown] start for the evening because we had some good, sexy conversation with people before the party

[04:51] [Ed] had even started. It wasn’t even a pre-party. This was like dinner before the pre-party kind of

[04:55] [Phoebe] yes. It was great. I know. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun to make those connections and

[05:02] [Unknown] start flirting and having lots of sexy conversation. And let’s see. We went to two pre parties

[05:13] [Ed] before the main event. The first one was with hanging out with the red couple because we’d had
dinner with them. We had a drink with them also and stopped by their room. But then on the way
back we were introduced through some other friends, our sexy Sonoma friends. They had friends
in town who were in that same area as they are. And turns out they were our next door neighbors.
So literally two rooms next to us. His other couple they had a red room and a blue room.
We had the lights set up in their room. Super sexy couples, really nice hung out over there for
you know five, ten minutes had some good conversation, 20 minutes maybe. And got to meet them

[06:03] [Phoebe] which was super cool. And then we we I think we then we like once we were done up there chatting
with them. I think we just headed downstairs. We were anxious to get down to the party. Right.
So we there was lots of socializing obviously work in the room. We we never sit these parties because you
you can’t you can’t stay still. You can’t put your butt down at a table. I mean you you can can. But we

[06:36] [Ed] don’t recommend it. No. Because because then you’re just stuck. Yeah. And you’re you’re obviously not
engaging with people except for the ones that are at your table. If you’re even sitting at a
table with other people. Right. So get off your butt. Come around the room. Yeah. Yeah. Introduce
yourself to the sexy people. Yeah. Because that’s how you make connections. That’s how you make

[07:00] [Phoebe] things. Yeah. You have to be up and actively engaged. I I can’t sit. I have to be moving constantly.

[07:08] [Unknown] Oh yeah. Moving moving moving moving moving. There were some awkward moments. Um you know you’re
forgetting people’s names. And no one ever feels. No. Everybody like just gets it. Right. And

[07:23] [Phoebe] everyone owns up to it and they’re like, oh, sorry. I totally get to be too hot. So, um,
they’re um I I do feel though I should get better at it. And I know why I’m I’m not because when
I anchor someone’s name to them, I anchor it to where I first met them. Right. What they were
wearing the event the situation. Yes. And when I see them in a different situation with a lot
of stimulation, a lot of different stimulation. There’s the costume changes. They they change the
color of their hair because right. It’s a it’s a costume. A lot of things you’re at a lot of
events and social settings. They’re at people are in costume and they’ll change. And so they
look very different. And then I I just I’m gone. I’m like, who are you? Betsy? Jane? No. George. Uh
I don’t know. And then I feel bad. So I have some challenges because I anchor is gone. Yeah. And

[08:31] [Ed] I do my best because I I tend to remember people’s faces. I’m a I’m a visual learner. And so I
remember faces that even then remembering names to go with those faces. Not great. Like we do

[08:45] [Phoebe] invest. I get I’m overstimulated all night long because that’s just the what happens for me.
I’m I’m so visual that I’m constantly just overstimulated all night long. So it’s really hard
for me to I’m like squirrel. Squirrel. Squirrel. I can’t sit down. I’m just like moving moving moving.

[09:09] [Ed] Yeah. And then people of course like throw us for a loop where the couple arrives but it’s not
the same couple. It’s a different couple. And of course they’ve split. And one of the partners is
with the new partner, which of course starts the whole thing all over scratch because that connection
is different. Yes. So yes. Like I said, you start all over. Yes. So we did we met a gentleman who

[09:37] [Phoebe] we’ve played with before. I know it was so quick, but you know, I never forgot his name probably
because it was the first couple that was like truly DTF. Oh yeah. Basically walk in the door
through your keys in the bowl kind of. I mean, you could tell they were they felt like they needed
to provide water and some snacks on the on the table. Because that’s the social thing to do.
Kitchen, but they really didn’t want to because they really wanted to just run to the bedroom and
fuck. And I was like, whoa. And so us being so new, we were like, what is this how it’s always
going to be? We’re like, wow. These people are like this just damn. And so I always remembered them.
Oh yeah. They definitely. And they reached out to us several times when we were new. And it was
just so so fast. We were so new. And I was like, no. And now they’re not together anymore.
They’re they’ve moved on from one another and found others changed pastures to
graze in. Let’s see. Oh, and then there was some other past play couples there, which was
nice to see them. They I think made it more awkward than anything. Yeah, there was something
something off with that. The guy was super nice. He’s like, hey, and he came up to me and said,
I and then I was like, wait, what’s your woman? And then she’s just sitting there. And I’m like,

[11:15] [Ed] oh, yeah, something was going on. We’re not sure exactly what happened. I couldn’t tell if she was

[11:19] [Phoebe] just distracted by conversation. But then as the night progressed, she’s just sat there. So I was

[11:25] [Ed] like, oh, okay, well, I don’t know. We did something. We don’t know what? No, I don’t think we did

[11:31] [Phoebe] anything. It was just, you know, I never write people off. It’s just I just assume that
something’s going on with them. Yeah, something happened that they weren’t comfortable with that
some sort of dynamic. And then we didn’t work out for them. And that’s the way that that’s
a baby. That’s just the way it happens. She didn’t like you or he didn’t like me or vice versa.
And they decided, nope, that’s not the couple for us anywhere. It happens. Check, right? Yeah.

[11:58] [Ed] And then one of our other friends were there. They they had had a little too much fun that night.

[12:06] [Phoebe] And so we’re a little extra baked. But he does this. It’s a couple that we played with in our
area before. We really liked them. They’ve had a house party we’ve been to. But he liked pot.
And but when he gets on pot, he’s so mellow and he stops engaging. So I like, I love him. But
then you look at him and you try to have a conversation and he’s just like, and you’re like, wait,
dude, I would really like to play with you tonight. But you’re not giving me anything. You’re not
like, hello, wave my hand in front of your eyes. Are you? Hello? Are you awake? Yeah. And I can’t
get the connection going. So I’m like, oh, okay, that’s not going to happen. It is disappointing.

[12:47] [Ed] Yeah, it does. It kind of kind of takes some of the spark out of it. Well, yeah. I mean, you’re not

[12:53] [Phoebe] fun. I mean, if you’re half gone, right? Like what? There’s no fun in that. I like. Yeah,

[13:00] [Unknown] we like having some fun being engaged. So didn’t get to play with them because he was baked.

[13:07] [Phoebe] So that was kind of a bummer. But that’s okay. We danced and we met some new people. Oh,
my God. Super sexy people. Oh, my goodness. Very fun. Great conversation with them.

[13:21] [Ed] Fair amount of flirting going on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that ended up not happening. We got a

[13:27] [Phoebe] number. We tried to steal the other group. And we tried. We tried. And we gave them the room
number and all the contact information. And it just and they programmed their phone into my phone.

[13:41] [Ed] And I’d left them messages. But it was either the wrong number or something because that ended up
not nothing happened. No response. So we think we think she actually put the wrong number in. Yeah.

[13:54] [Phoebe] Which, you know, so it’s good thing you didn’t send Nick maybe. Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe she’d send a
naked photo. Hi. Hi. Yes. But she. Oh, my God. So she was and I were dancing on the dance floor.
Oh, my Lord. That girl’s ass. She was working on me. So I had this dress.
Very, it was just lace basically from top to bottom. And it was short. And there was
pasties on underneath because I had that pasties but no underwear. So it was basically just
a dress and me being naked. Well, she started twerking on me. I could be, well, and her dress
wrote up because no one in the dance floor had any underwear on. And so her, I’m looking down.
Oh, my God. I was in heaven. Her round ass. I mean, my goodness, the view that you men have,
her round ass is twerking on my pussy. And it’s just going up and down and it’s making this motion
and it’s super soft. I’m rubbing her butt. Yeah. And she is bumping my bit against my mound. And
all of a sudden, I’m like, I’m getting really wet and I’m getting really horny. And I wish I had
a cock right now that I could just shove inside her because this is so, I’m like, we need to go
fuck right now. And I was so turned on by her. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. And they
went, it didn’t happen. I was like, no, that’s when we gave them the contact information. And then
they did. And we were like, it’s going to go. And then it didn’t. So I really hope we run it

[15:40] [Ed] again because she was super sexy. Yeah. But her husband was cute too. He was, he was a good looking guy.

[15:46] [Phoebe] He was, oh yes. And so nice. The two of them. Very nice. Oh no. And I’m just gushing over them.

[15:52] [Ed] It was so put anyway. So if you know who we are and you’re listening to this podcast,
you put your number in wrong. Reach out to it. It’s not us. It’s you. Because we really would like

[16:05] [Phoebe] to connect with you. That would have been a good time. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. So our sexy
cinema couple was there again. Yeah. Oh, we do. We do. And I was bummed because we, we got
in this situation later. I’ll tell you when I didn’t get to play with him. And it’s so bummed.
So Mr. Sonoma was wearing this white suit with no shirt on. He had a white suit with a white vest.
And he has a very nice hairy chest. And I just kept rubbing his chest all night long. Oh my
God. You’re pettable. Oh my God. It felt so good. Of course, he loved it. He just stood there.
You know, he took it. He hated it. I know. He just hated it. And so every time I saw him,
I just like stopped and I pet and I pet and I pet. So anyway, they were there. Yes. And

[17:04] [Ed] and Mrs. Sonoma and I were dancing. Yes. Fair amount. And we got in trouble in the dance floor
because one of the chaperones was convinced that I was doing something inappropriate, but I was
trying to pull her dress down because it kept riding. Right. So I was fixing the dress, not
lifting the dress. That happened later. But yeah, magically her top kept popping open. Oh yes.

[17:32] [Phoebe] Mm-hmm. Right. She’s really good with that. Yeah. Very, very sexy. Yes. Very sexy.
And so the balloons dropped. New Year’s happens. Not the highlight of the night. No.

[17:45] [Ed] Any stretch of the night. No, no, no. But yes, New Year’s Eve actually did occur at midnight and

[17:51] [Phoebe] the balls dropped, so to speak. Balls dropped. So we go back to the rooms to party because we are
in the playroom, designated playrooms at the part that the, you know, the host puts on for these

[18:05] [Ed] parties anymore. For some reason, we’re always in everyone else’s rooms. Yes. We have we have now

[18:12] [Unknown] graduated. I don’t know. We just don’t do the parties. We don’t do the playrooms anymore. We just

[18:20] [Ed] go straight back to the parties. And it’s just so much fun. It’s different. I know. You can talk

[18:28] [Phoebe] and you can eat. You can drink and there’s music and lights. So many things. And it’s not random

[18:34] [Ed] people. Right. It’s like very specific people. These are people who you’ve made connections with.
Yes. So it’s a, it’s a more intimate connected party. Exactly. Yes. So we wind up in the red
couples’ room because they’re sexy. And we had like three parties. We could have ended up in
and then we were like, okay, we have, yeah, let’s go there. Let’s go there. And there was a,

[19:02] [Phoebe] oh my gosh, about 20, maybe 25 people in that room. There were a lot of people in that room.
It was, there was a crowd. And they left their door open. So people just kept coming. And that’s
part of the reason why they got bit. So here’s the, the part I was like kind of giving you insight
too. So Mr. Sexy Sonoma and his white suit. And I really wanted to have sex with was in the room.
With us. Right. But it was too many people in there. It was, it was too. And too many people that
I didn’t know. So I felt less intimate and more, I felt more exposed. So I, I wasn’t very comfortable
because there were some people in there that I played with before that it wasn’t interested in
playing with. And so I was a little afraid of taking my clothes off for a little bit of fear
that that other person might just think, oh, you know, open invitation. Right. And then like I said,
just a lot of unfamiliar faces. It was a little, I felt a little too exposed. A lot of people.
Yeah. As much as I love a big orgy. Right. That sweet spot for me is about 10,
yes, eight to 10. Right. Okay. So Ed, of course, and Mrs. Sonoma, of course, because those two,
oh my god, big exhibitionists, they’re like rip off a cloak that boom, they start the whole thing.
Yeah. 25 people in the room. They’re like, fucking on the bed, do, do in their own little world,
doing their thing. Everyone’s watching them. Having a good time. I’m kicked back on some
luggage on the floor. Mr. Sonoma’s off in the corner getting a blowjob from somebody else.
Other people are, I don’t know what they’re doing. Watch. Yeah. I’m watching you because it was

[20:53] [Ed] fucking hot. I didn’t even realize they were the only people playing in the room until most of

[21:00] [Unknown] the way through it. And then all of a sudden I kind of looked around and everyone was watching.
And I was like, oh, oh, I guess we’re putting on a show. You are putting on a show.

[21:15] [Phoebe] And neither one of us gave a shit. No, no, you didn’t. We were, you were in it. Both of you,
super focused. I love that too. I love that about you guys. It was pretty hot. I, I,
joy having sex with her. She’s very fun. She’s very sexy. She’s a lot of fun. Yes.
Yes. Great. So it was, you had a question for me about, you know, watching.
Yeah, because that was different. That was usually, no. Play like that. I like to participate in
some way. Usually I am on the bed touching or I’m right there watching, but I was kind of off
on the side. And I was just chilling and I was very comfortable with that. And that was probably
because we, we know them. We’ve played with them before, several times. We engage with them. We talk,
you know, we’ve, you know, we’ve known them for a couple of years. So it was just very comfortable.

[22:20] [Ed] So I didn’t have a problem with it. Yeah. And it was, that was a very interesting dynamic for us
because it was almost solo play, but not right. Which was kind of fun, kind of exciting. So at some

[22:36] [Phoebe] point, someone decides to close the door because it just got too distracting in there. People kept
coming in and they leave and they come in and there was too much talking and then and there

[22:47] [Ed] wasn’t enough playing. Right. Right. So let’s get to business people. Yeah. So other people were

[22:53] [Phoebe] kind of feeling that same thing I was feeling. It was just, you know, too many watching not enough

[22:58] [Unknown] playing. Yeah. So they kick some people out and close the door. And that was much better.

[23:07] [Ed] Much much better for me. Half the half as many people at this point. Yeah. So we now, now I’m comfortable

[23:14] [Phoebe] and now I’m starting to get undressed and I’m starting to play. But some of our friends that I
wanted to play with left, I think the Sonoma couple left. They did. Yeah. So we didn’t get to play.
I didn’t get to play. And then you got to play with a couple different women at that point.

[23:39] [Ed] I got to play with the red couple. Yes. Mrs. Red. And I got to play with six therapists,

[23:47] [Unknown] which was, which was fun and interesting. And that was, that was kind of interesting from the

[23:55] [Ed] standpoint that I’d had a conversation with her at dinner that was very sexy and it was kind of fun
to like actually have sex with her. Yeah. And kind of make that connection. So that was fun.

[24:06] [Unknown] Yeah. Who did I play? Oh, did I play with? You were, you were playing with Mr. Red. Oh, I was

[24:11] [Phoebe] playing. Oh, yes. I remember the blow job I was giving him. That was nice. That was,
that looked like you were having good time. I really like giving blow jobs. I also remember the
sex. But I am mixing Halloween with New Year’s because they’re both very good experiences. So

[24:33] [Ed] they’re blurring a little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Too much sex. Obviously. Yeah. Too much good sex. And it’s
just, just all blends together, you know, one big happy memory.
Do we stayed in the room for a while? We played for a little while. And then
we weeded some people out. We avoided playing with one of the couples that was in there because
we’ve had, we’ve, we have had a bad experience with them and we just don’t want to play with them
anymore. Right. So they eventually left and it was down to a much smaller group.
So it was just us and the Red couple. Right. Well, we had, I think after we kicked most people out,

[25:29] [Phoebe] we patrolled the halls for another party. We’re like, let’s go find another orgy. It’s so

[25:34] [Ed] fun. Yeah. Because our party was done. We’re like, let’s go find another party. Yeah.
Because that sounded super fun. Super fun. So we’re up and down the hall. Oh my god. I remember

[25:44] [Unknown] bouncing into one of these rooms. And I bounced in. I said hello. I took a look around. It didn’t

[25:52] [Phoebe] really. Wasn’t anything going on. I’m like, okay. Nobody’s making it. Nobody’s having fun. I’m like,
bye, bye. See you later. The Red couple is like, what are you doing? I’m like, come on. Let’s go.
Oh, we’re looking for fun. We got some, we got some places to go. But we didn’t end up finding
other, any other parties. No. We were even putting our, putting our ears up to the door. And I

[26:18] [Ed] was gonna knock. Yeah. I was being bold. We didn’t find very many. There was, there were a
couple rooms where we heard some activity, but their, their doors were closed. And so we didn’t.

[26:32] [Phoebe] I didn’t. Otherwise, I would have knocked. She told me. Yeah. Well, it’s, it’s a mixed bag. When

[26:39] [Ed] you can’t peek into the room, you don’t know where you’re gonna, what you’re gonna end up with.
Right. The, yes. That’s true. It’s a little risky, but it, we have had some great experiences.

[26:50] [Phoebe] Yes. Doing that kind of thing before. But that’s okay. Because the Red couple and us went back
to our room and we played till 430 in the morning. As we always do. Yes. And we destroyed both

[27:05] [Unknown] beds. Yes. Even with pads down. Yes. We still ended up, um, note to self, bring, take our advice

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appreciate it. Thanks for listening. A stadium blanket. Yes. Or a sex blanket if you have one of

[28:28] [Ed] those, but they waterproof stadium blankets make a great accessory for wet fun at hotel parties.

[28:38] [Phoebe] So I made Ed go down to the front lobby. Your blanket. Right. Which was fine. And it was perfect.
When we went to bed. But you know what? We did fun and new that night. I had Mr. Red,

[28:56] [Unknown] I had forgotten until earlier today. You tried something new that night.

[29:04] [Phoebe] I forgot that part too. Okay. So the first part I tried this new vibrator. Oh, yes. Right.
And that was kind of fun. It was, it was a little distracting though because trying to navigate the
buttons and the right speeds and trying to figure that out for the first time was, was a little
distracting. Right. And so it kind of got in the way. It got in the way of play. But it was fun
because it goes around him and it goes around me. It goes around the whole vulva area. And then it
wraps around his penis. And so it was funny when he pulled out. It was like stuck on his penis.
And it was hilarious. And his wife was laughing. And we’re like, huh. But he liked it. He said,
he said it felt really good. I liked it too. I just, I just need to figure out the buttons.
Right. And the, which setting I like. Yeah. Yeah. We need a little play time to
convince to it. Right. And then, so Mrs. Red is like, something new, something new. Or maybe I was

[30:04] [Ed] something new, something new. She didn’t inspired us from our last reaction with her. So she’s like,

[30:08] [Phoebe] all right, do DP. And I’m like, oh, I can’t do that. She goes, yes, you can’t. She goes,
it’s a little outch at first. But then it’s, ah, that’s how she described it. I’m pretty sure.
And so I’m like, oh, no. And she’s like, trust me, you’ll like it. And so Mr. Red is on the bottom,
right? And you were on top. Yep. So you’re both trying to shove your large dicks inside
China. And I’m like, this is not going to work. And at some point, you know, there was a,
oh, that’s a little pinchy. Mm-hmm. But then there was a little bit of a, ah, feeling. And I

[30:48] [Unknown] remember looking over at Mrs. Red and I go, oh, I think I liked this. And she’s like, see, see?

[30:54] [Phoebe] And so, but we didn’t get all the way in. It was, it was mostly there, but it was very short
lived because it’s hard to coordinate all of that stuff going on in the same spot. And you get
pushed out, it’s slippery. And yeah, yeah, takes a fair amount of work and effort to get that

[31:16] [Ed] working. But it was fun. So my god, our second DVP. Yes, something new. So same couple, something fun

[31:26] [Phoebe] and new. There’s, I love experimenting with them. They’re so exciting. Yeah, we’ve had a great time,
both times that we’ve, we’ve hung out with. Yeah, they’re the kind of couple that you have a list
with. And you’re like, you know, I really want to try this. I really, really like to have this
type of experience or see what this kind of exploration in my sex life, you know, will take me with
my partner and with them. And you can, you can really start to expand your, your sexuality and your
experience with a couple like that. And we, we almost had a couple like that. We did have a
couple like that. And then their dynamic broke a little bit between the two of them. And so then,
then they weren’t swinging anymore. And I was super sad because I had a list going of things I
really wanted to try and experiment and explore. And I, I couldn’t because they broke. And, and this

[32:21] [Ed] is one of the aspects about swinging that really had, it’s a unique opportunity. There are certain

[32:32] [Unknown] things that two people in a bedroom can do. But there’s only certain things that two people in a

[32:40] [Ed] bedroom can do. Right. There are things that four people in a bedroom or three people in a bedroom
can do. Yeah. That, that open up other types of sexual interactions and play. Mm-hmm. That you,
you just can’t do without enough people. Exactly. And that’s what’s really cool. So if you think about
like keeping the spark alive and experimenting in your bedroom and all that the Cosmo articles,

[33:10] [Guest] you can only go so far with two people. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And you’ve got toys, right? So you can do

[33:16] [Ed] a little bit of that. But when you’ve got three or four actual people. Yeah. It’s, it’s a lot of fun.

[33:24] [Unknown] It’s a lot of fun. It’s a lot of fun. Oh my goodness. All right. 4.30 in the morning.

[33:30] [Phoebe] Good night. Love you. Got a little sleep. Got a little sleep. Yeah.
Sleep until I don’t even know how. 11. It was late. Got a headlunch. And then got ready for

[33:47] [Ed] the next night. The next night. The PJ party and lingerie party. Oh yeah. And it’s a bit of a bit of
both. Oh god. That was also fabulous. That was all sort of like fun. So I think we said this in
the last episode when we talked about Halloween. But the PJ parties are usually a smaller crowd.
It’s a little bit more low key. It’s super intimate because it’s less of a nightclub feel. And it’s
more like you’re hanging out with, you know, your friends. It’s like a slumber party. Yeah. Which is

[34:24] [Phoebe] kind of fun. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Ooh. She should name it the slumber party. Slumber party. Right.

[34:31] [Ed] So we, you know, came into the ballroom and we saw our neighbors. They had a cabin. Yes.
And we, you know, greeted people as we walked through. We made our way over to them. This is
the blue room, red room. This is the blue room and red room, right? So they are literally our
next door neighbors on the same floor. And so we planted our asses on their couch. Yeah. We
basically like inserted ourselves to quote their click, which they weren’t being clicky at all.

[35:03] [Unknown] No, no. But it was great to have made the connection with them the night before. And then we

[35:09] [Ed] connected with them tonight and actually got to spend time with them to, you know, on this night
having a conversation with them and getting to know them and, you know, their jobs and what they
do for fun. And, you know, we heard about their boat days and the backyard and the pool parties

[35:26] [Unknown] and all the fun stuff. Yes. It was fabulous connecting with them and like really building up

[35:36] [Phoebe] more of a connection. It opened up this door to this area of adult play. More
probably on the, I guess you’d say the vanilla side that crosses over a little bit
to swing or so to speak. It’s just adult naughty fun. Sure. You know, naughty.
You know, and so people take their boats out, they tie them up and they’re half naked,
they’re in their bathing suits or topless with their pasties. It’s actually a lot of sexy
stuff goes on all day long. And maybe people play down below, maybe they don’t, you know,
some of the boat’s have stripper poles. I mean, it’s just a feast of bodies all day long just
doing sexy shit. Yep. So I mean, what’s not to love about that? Whether you’re a swinger,
you’re not. I mean, I’m sure it sounds fabulous. I’m in. So let’s talk about what you were.

[36:41] [Ed] You had some very sexy PJs on that night. I did. I had my red satin PJs and
was feeling very Hugh Haffner that night. So that was my usual outfit. I’ve got a new one

[36:53] [Unknown] for the next, which we just got Rihanna. Rihanna has her savage ex-fendi stuff. Yes. If you don’t

[37:04] [Phoebe] know about her lingerie line, I encourage you to check it out. Yeah. Yeah. It’s very sexy stuff.

[37:10] [Ed] And the show is actually. Oh my god. Do you have not watched her shows? Where was it on HBO? No,

[37:18] [Unknown] it’s on Amazon. Amazon. So sexy. Good Lord. Yeah. Very sexy people. Yes. Speaking of sexy outfits.

[37:28] [Phoebe] How did you start the evening? Oh, well, because the hallways were
fucking cold, I was wearing a jacket over my body suit. And so I found this body suit in the
mall of all places, right? And I were shopping. This was like pre-cruise, I think. Something like that.
November and of October and November. This super sexy body suit that has black feathers on the cuffs.
Yeah. And it’s off the shoulder. It’s like stretchy lace felt. Animals, ribbon like stripy,

[38:12] [Ed] swirly things. Seagingly placed opaque and transparent panels. Yes. Yes. Very sexy,
very form-fitting and feeble fabulous in it. So then I wore these black sexy

[38:27] [Phoebe] victory secret underwear with the little, you know, the sparkles on the side. That’s a
victory secret or something. And then pasties because, yeah, I had to wear pasties on my nips.

[38:41] [Unknown] Because they weren’t that strategically placed. No. And you could totally see your nipples, which was

[38:50] [Phoebe] so when we walked up to our friends and their couch, they’re like, you know, I’m still freezing,
right? Even though I’d walked for forever, I’m still cold. And they’re like, well,
when do we get to see your outfit? I go, oh, oh, okay.
So I turn around backwards. And so they see that back of my head. And so I slowly start to
unzip this long jacket, this long silk black jacket. And then I pull the jacket off of the right
shoulder. And I turn my head to the right. And then I give my shoulder a little wiggle. And then
off the jacket comes on the left shoulder. My head turns to the left and give my shoulder a
little wiggle. And then the jacket starts to ease down my back. A little shimmy, a little shimmy.
And then I hold the jacket on one side and I pull the right arm out. And then I flip it out and

[39:49] [Unknown] the feathers just go boing on the end. Because they’re pretty long feathers. They’re like two or

[39:54] [Phoebe] three inches of feathers. And then I hold the jacket on the left side across my chest. You know,
meanwhile, the jacket is still covering most of my body. And I pull my left arm out and then
the left arm pops out with these feathers. So I give a little shake. And then I’ll always suddenly
then I grab the jacket and then I start to shimmy it down my back. And then it’s about when I get
down to the lower butt cheeks or the top of the butt, I just drop it. And then I turn around and

[40:26] [Unknown] I go, I throw my hands up in the air. And everyone’s like, here’s why we sail on Virgin.

[40:40] [Guest] It’s adults only. No kids screaming at breakfast, no family buffet lines, just champagne at noon,
late night pool parties and people who actually want to be there. The vibe, think
boutique hotel that happens to float. Tattoo parlors, drag brunch, restaurants, you’d actually
pay for on land. Plus, when you’re looking to connect with other couples who know how to have fun,
let’s just say Virgin attracts a very specific type of adventurous. No wonder bread cruisers here,

[41:17] [Unknown] just your people. Much applause. That was so fun. It was very sexy little striptease. I never

[41:27] [Phoebe] did anything like that before in my life. It was so fun. I was totally sober. It was so much fun.

[41:34] [Unknown] I’m pretty sure I’m sober too. Oh my god, it was so so fun. And so then, you know, then we sat

[41:40] [Phoebe] down and started chatting and flirting and all that good stuff. But yeah, but at some point,
we had some people come up and we were, oh, we had some fun neighbors next to us. We tried to invite
them in to our little crowd. We had more people come over. So, our new friends, we’ve

[42:01] [Ed] were hanging out with our friends. They’re trying to get my attention. They want to go up to

[42:05] [Phoebe] the room. They’re like, chop chop. We are ready to go. Meanwhile, my ass is like, you know, pointing
at them while I’m talking to other people. They keep hitting me, smacking my ass, smacking my ass,
trying to get my attention. I’m like, really focused on the conversation. Pretty soon, you know,
they’re like, let’s go. I’m like, oh, are we going? We’re going to say, okay, we
so then we all just up and left. I felt a little bad for the group that was, you know,
trying to get in. But we were on a mission, you know, and so. Six of us went back up to our

[42:42] [Ed] respective rooms. We did. And, uh, God, it went pretty much straight to massage oil and rubbing
people and oral sex. Just all kinds of hands and playing and it was great. Oh my gosh. We had

[43:05] [Phoebe] so much fun. It was so much fun. I think we had music. I don’t know. It seemed like we did. It was
a little bit of music and the lights and it was the most amazing fun lots of flirting and teasing
and playing and touching and it was honestly, here’s how good it was. Not until the next day,
did I realize there was no penetration by anyone. It was it was all soft swap. It was that good.

[43:42] [Ed] I mean, it was good. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I had a blast. I had so much fun. It was so much fun.

[43:51] [Phoebe] And again, once again, great conversation, just jelling, conversing, people just being real and
comfortable. Oh my gosh. And the conversation was sexy. Oh my gosh. I mean, these people, I just
love them. We’re getting really lucky finding some really, really comfortable people to just hang
with. Yeah. It’s phenomenal. I’m I’m feeling very, very, very thankful. Amazing. I’d only took eight years.
But I think I it has changed and we will talk about that in another podcast about how the
community has changed in eight years. It is way different. Oh, yeah. And we’ve changed too.

[44:36] [Ed] We’ve grown and adapted over time and grown and yeah, a lot of stuff. So what are some takeaways
that I can have from this party? I know the first one for me is wet blankets. So we need to prep
the beds better. Yes. Yes. Get the sheets down. More supplies. Better supplies to protect the
beds so that I’m not running them. The lobby for the morning. Yeah. Sheets. We know that approaching
couples works absolutely. Yeah. So if you’re sitting at a table and you’re not engaging the room,
if you’re not locking around, if you’re not having conversations with people.
Dead in the water. You are missing out. You are you are not going to make it happen. It might
happen, but it has to fall in your lap. And it is so much better to be active and to actively

[45:40] [Phoebe] work the room. I wonder if I just start crawling across one of those big tables. Big flat round
table with what they call dining. There’s a term for them. They’re big dining tables. Right. She
just start crawling across one next time. Skip people’s attention. That would get people’s attention.
That’s for sure. Try better name techniques. That is my goal. I need to get better. Yeah. Learn

[46:11] [Ed] some mnemonics or something. I do. To remember the names and connect the names and the faces.
It’s a little tricky and I think that that’s a noble goal. But there are a lot of people at these
events and it’s pretty hard to remember that many names and things that many faces. And I need to

[46:32] [Phoebe] have enough conversation with them in order to link their name to the memory of that. But then you
get interrupted with other people or music or dancing. You’re like, oh my god, it’s a good song or
oh my god. I have a tickle in my throat. I need to go get some water and then off you go and then you
Yes. I know. So in closing, oh my goodness. 2022 is looking really great as far as connections and
opportunities. Opportunities. Yeah. Like long term connections. We’re hoping. Knock on.
Knock on. Right. In April, we’re going to Costa Rica. LLV has a hotel takeover. That is a true
hotel takeover of 400 people in Costa Rica and we are super excited to go. It is sold out now.
We got in early and I am, I can’t wait. I can’t wait. So we’ll be talking about that a little bit

[47:31] [Ed] more before April. And if you’re going to Costa Rica for the LLV takeover, reach out to us.
Yeah. Let’s know. We’d love to connect with you and prepare ahead of time.

[47:47] [Unknown] Yeah. I agree. And let’s see, let’s see. 2021, end of another COVID year. Yeah.

[47:59] [Ed] There’s some great experiences and opportunities for even better connections this next year. So

[48:07] [Unknown] everybody stay safe and stay safe. Yeah. And all of us will get through this in the coming year and

[48:17] [Ed] hopefully 2022 will be a much better year in so many different ways. Yes. I hope so.

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    Phoebe holds a BA in Communications with a minor in Small Group and Personal Dynamics. She brings deep expertise in sexual health, relationship dynamics, and non-monogamous relationship structures. As a researcher, she meticulously curates each podcast episode, drawing from medical journals, expert interviews, and her 10+ years of lifestyle research and lived experience. Her communication background allows her to synthesize complex topics and present them accessibly across platforms. She creates marketing collateral, publishes across 8+ social media platforms, manages all SEO optimization, and moderates 3 active community forums where listeners actively seek guidance on lifestyle topics. Phoebe’s strength is taking research and experience, then making it both digestible and actionable for the community.