Alcohol and Cancer Risk: What Every Swinger Should Know

[00:00] [Unknown] can swinging increase your risk of cancer. Whether you meet at a bar, smuggle alcohol into your room

[00:07] [Ed] for events, or book an all-inclusive cruise or resort, alcohol is always readily available.

[00:20] [Phoebe] Welcome to Swinger University. I’m Phoebe. And I’m Ed. I like doing the intro.

[00:28] [Unknown] It’s fun. You don’t usually do that. I don’t. I took charge. I took charge. Phoebe’s on top

[00:35] [Ed] this time. I am. I am. So we came up with this topic because it’s all over the news.

[00:44] [Unknown] Oh, yeah. You can’t turn the news on and not see the latest story about, yeah, it used to be a

[00:53] [Ed] glass of wine a day was healthy for you and it helped with your heart and your circulation and

[00:58] [Unknown] all that. And yeah, beer’s not that bad. And if you are going to have a hard alcohol drink, you know,

[01:03] [Ed] you limit it to, you know, two drinks a week kind of a thing. I remember the exact numbers.

[01:09] [Phoebe] Yeah. Not the case. But now, yes, they’re really, I guess, campaigning for visibility
on the carcinogenic nature of alcohol, which honestly, I didn’t know. And there was a study
that they did where 40 percent people surveyed knew that consuming alcohol increases their
chance of later developing cancer. When that came out, I was shocked because I’m the other 60 percent.
I didn’t know. I’m like, who? Who knew? Why didn’t I know? How did how did I not know? And I
thought, wow, that marketing campaign is really getting squashed by, you know, who?
Bright. Alcohol, lobbyists, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. And don’t get me wrong. I’m not
anti-alcohol, but I do have some interesting facts for you and some alternatives.
So because it wouldn’t be swinging university without some facts,
we all know that swingers love to party. And we have a plethora of events, meet and greets,
we go to adult resorts, we go on cruises. And it’s, it’s just there. Alcohol’s there. Alcohol’s
everywhere. And everything you do, any celebratory event, birthdays, weddings,
christening the bow of a boat, alcohol, a ribbon cutting ceremony there, champagne, right?
So it’s so ingrained in us and society and part of connecting with one another,
that it’s just basically seen as normal. And I made the choice for myself to
stop drinking recently because of some, all some of the effects that I will tell you about in
the second here. But as swingers, why, why, why do we, why do we use it? Why do we like it?

[03:36] [Ed] Well, I think most of the time, alcohol is a social lubricant. Everybody talks about it being
that the uninhibitor. And, you know, I’m going to need a drink for this to like really relax and

[03:49] [Phoebe] let loose or the great leveler. Do they kind of say that we’re just levels everybody? They’re all
yeah, I guess you could say that because if you’re all drinking, you’re all on the same page. If
you’re not, you kind of feel like the third wheel, which has been awkward. Yeah, that would make

[04:05] [Ed] sense in like a party situation, like a really like everybody’s letting loose kind of thing. And
if you were the one sober person, yeah, that would be pretty awkward. I’ve been at that party. I
was that guy at that party. But I think for the most part, swingers, swingers events like to use
alcohol as a, as a way of kind of relieving tension. It’s a nervous kind of a thing. You’re not sure
what’s going to happen. You’re putting yourself out there. You’re, you’re trying to approach people
and make a connection. And that’s hard. Yeah. Here in introvert, maybe you’re not good at

[04:49] [Phoebe] closing the deal. You haven’t been dating for many years. Why? Because you’ve been in a
committed relationship. Right. Or monogamous relationship for 20 plus years. And you just feel
awkward. We feel awkward trying to flirt with other people. We were both new to the dating scene
when we met each other. And we barely had our flirting skills honed in. Yeah. I was, I was pretty

[05:17] [Unknown] rusty. I’ll be honest. And you were still better than me. Well, I’m a natural flirt. You are a natural
flirt. I’m a natural flirt. So if you, if you kind of go through the list of events, you know,

[05:33] [Ed] most of them are B-Y-O-B. Yeah. So there’s a, there’s a next expectation like right there on
the invitation that you’re going to bring your own beverage, your, your own alcohol.
We’ve met and we know a few swingers who are in fact non-drinkers. But for the most part,
I think almost everybody in lifestyle drinks some level or another. Yeah. Some people
drink a lot. We’ve seen a lot of, you know, unicorns, drunken corners. Yeah. Very, very sick
unicorns, which is not the best experience for them. But if you go down the list of all of these
cruises, for example, they sell a drink package, several hundred dollars worth of drink package

[06:23] [Unknown] for that. And it’s all you can drink. So you want to get your money’s worth, right?

[06:28] [Ed] Yeah. Because it’s expensive. So that’s seven days of just hammering your liver
hard. And the rest of your body. And the rest of your body. Because what, what do we,

[06:39] [Phoebe] said, drink package was at least a hundred dollars per person, right? Per day.

[06:44] [Ed] I think it was just under a hundred bucks. If I remember right, it was like 85 bucks per person. But
with a couple, both people have to have the drink package. So it’s, it’s an investment.

[06:55] [Phoebe] Seven day cruise for two people. It’s, you know, it’s a lot. It adds up very quickly.

[07:01] [Ed] It was. And if you look at adult resorts like heat out, they’re all inclusive. And
all inclusive is meals and alcohol. So the drinks are free flowing. You can, you can hang out at the
pool. There’s a bar. You can hang out at the nightclub where the dinner is. There’s a bar.
There’s the piano bar. Yeah. There’s a bar. Yeah. Like there’s alcohol everywhere at the event.

[07:34] [Phoebe] Is it a good thing? I mean, it, yes, no, I don’t know, depends on what you want to use it for.
And you’re, you’re your level of risk, I guess. We could use the same, we just did another follow-up
on STIs and you could use the same formula for, for you and, and your body. What’s your level of
risk? Right. Right. Do you, do you want to live a long life? Do you, do you want to just throw
caution to the wind and say, eh, whatever, you know, live life’s to the fullest. I’ll die later.
And I’ll die happy. Maybe you have a lot of cancer in your family. And you have to be more mindful
of your health. So level of risk is getting to be different for each person. Yeah. And I think the

[08:28] [Ed] other level of risk that a lot of people don’t really talk about in lifestyle is consent. And
with alcohol comes a diminished capacity for granting and accepting consent. And we talk about

[08:46] [Unknown] it all the time because the community is not very good at it. We’ll just say it that way. Yeah.

[08:53] [Ed] And, and alcohol doesn’t help. It doesn’t help people to use their words and to know what they’re

[09:02] [Phoebe] talking about at the time that they’re saying. And I have been known to make decisions under the

[09:09] [Unknown] influence. I wasn’t drunk, but I was buzzed. And they sounded like a great decision. Everything

[09:16] [Phoebe] sounds like a really good idea when you’re drinking. And while I had a good time, if I had been

[09:24] [Unknown] sober, I probably would not have chosen that interaction. Yeah. And I guess I’m trying to, I know,

[09:37] [Phoebe] I know somebody’s going to ask me this question, well, if you had a good time, then it was a big deal.
Because the day after, and it’s not the hangover, there is some type of fallout usually for me,

[09:49] [Unknown] meaning you and I missed a connection or I said yes to something that I wouldn’t normally say yes to,

[10:01] [Phoebe] maybe at all or with that person, maybe I would only say yes with another person, right?
So things in the moment that seem okay, but the next day, you, you kind of feel icky about it or

[10:18] [Ed] not so great. Yeah. And I think that’s the thing is that alcohol reduces your inhibitions and
it reduces your ability to make really the best decisions. Yeah. Sounds mean they’re all going to

[10:33] [Unknown] be bad decisions, but yeah. Right. All right. So let’s be, let’s be Debbie down a little bit.

[10:41] [Phoebe] Yes. Sorry. Sorry, not sorry. You need to know. Yeah. I think it’s important to talk about it.

[10:48] [Ed] I think it’s important for people to start to think about this because this is new information.

[10:53] [Unknown] Like this is coming out and it’s all over the place. Yes. So apparently alcohol, like I said

[11:02] [Phoebe] earlier, is a carcinogen. It is a class one carcinogen labeled by the International Agency
for Research on Cancer. And the reason it is is because it’s metabolized into a seedlehyde,
which is a carcinogen. And that damages the DNA and increases your risk for cancer. Right.

[11:30] [Unknown] It can increase the types of cancer in your liver, breast cancer, colon cancer, head and neck,

[11:39] [Phoebe] and esophageal cancer. Right. I had no clue. None, none, none, none. Maybe if I had more cancer in my

[11:47] [Unknown] family, and there was more of awareness, you know, swirling around my family with conversation

[11:53] [Phoebe] about health and cancer and stuff, I would know this. Right. But I don’t have that in my family.
So I’ve just been like kind of shocked by this information. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

[12:08] [Ed] Some of the other stuff that’s been coming out is that it disrupts the hormone balance.
So it’s really bad for women who are in perimenopause and menopause. And you have an increased risk
of hormone-related cancers for the liver and breast. And I remember you talking on a number of
occasions where you got a terrible night sleep because the alcohol was affecting your sleep.
It was affecting your hot flashes. Your body was out of sorts because of it. Yeah. Yeah.

[12:41] [Phoebe] So I personally have stopped drinking it. I drink COVID. We were kind of having a heyday like
everybody else did because the world was ending. But you really didn’t have to go anywhere. So I was
like, ah, you know, who cares about a good night’s sleep? Whatever. But they’ll just deliver it.
Right. But, you know, when you’re not sleeping right, there’s weight gain. Your health starts to
suffer. Your immune system is decreased. Your brain does not do its cleaning process at night.
Right. Right. Which puts you at risk for health hybrids. If your brain isn’t able to get
the cleaning process, it’s a dishwasher going on in there in the middle of the night.

[13:24] [Ed] Yeah. They used to describe it as, you know, your mind needs to rest at night, right? Like it
gives it a break from, you know, processing all the stuff during the day. And it’s, it’s, you know,
recharging its battery so to speak. Right. Well, they’ve figured out that it’s actually also

[13:39] [Unknown] flushing toxins out. Yes. So, yeah. I mean, once again, science is amazing. We’re constantly
learning new things about the human body and all of this stuff. Right. Now, you may have also heard

[13:57] [Phoebe] in the news recently, the US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, who is on his way out soon with the
new administration administration. So he’s been on a speaking campaign and I was listening to him

[14:12] [Unknown] on NPR today. And he was saying that the alcohol related cancer is the third leading preventable

[14:24] [Phoebe] cause of cancer in the US. Wow. Yeah. So I thought that was pretty high. I didn’t know that either.
So you could save your life, basically, or live longer. Yeah. Just stop drinking.
It’s 100% preventable. Now he’s, he’s calling for Congress to authorize a warning label on alcohol,
but the alcohol lobbyists are really lobbying hard and against that. I’m sure this is not the

[14:55] [Ed] first time it’s come up. No. No. Yeah. And we went through this with cigarettes where for decades,
they had lied to the public about it being perfectly safe. And it was actually healthy. Right.
Remember in the 40s and 50s, they were like, yeah, even your doctor smokes. They did. They did.

[15:15] [Phoebe] Winston’s or whatever they did in your in your in the office, in the hospitals or in the waiting

[15:21] [Unknown] rooms. Yeah. And it wasn’t until the truth got uncovered and people really started to realize,

[15:28] [Ed] yeah, you know, yeah, that’s not really true. And then they slapped the warning labels on it,
but it took forever to get the warning labels. And then it took forever to get the the smokers
off of airplanes and out of restaurants and all that kind of stuff. Oh my gosh. I remember all
that. Yeah. Yeah. I had a very long flight to France with a chain smoker sitting right behind me.

[15:53] [Unknown] That was that those were the days. Yeah. So there’s two perspectives on this. Yeah. Two perspectives

[16:01] [Phoebe] you can take on this. Live your best life and go out with a bang. Right. Yeah. You only live once.
And yeah, I can appreciate that perspective. We know people that have that perspective.
They’re like, yeah, you only live once. I’m going out with a bang. I’m going to live it up. Yep.

[16:19] [Ed] And the other perspective is increase your chances of living longer and you get to increase your
quality of life. So, you know, if you’re looking at the blue zones and you want to have a really long
life, you want to be an octogenarian, you want to live well into your hundreds. You know, maybe this
is something you cut back on or eliminate from your diet. You know, do you really need it?
Right. I know our grocery bill has gone down as we’ve cut more alcohol out of the shopping.

[16:54] [Phoebe] I do miss it. I will say I like the little buzz that I get from a gin and tonic. I
I will say as I’ve aged and progressed into menopause, my body doesn’t handle the alcohol
very well anymore. Like you said before, it does affect my sleep. It affects my hormones.
It affects my digestive system. Actually, I was doing a lot of research. I didn’t even put this
in the outline on your microbiota. And it really wreaks havoc on all the healthy organisms
in your intestines. It basically just destroys them. Yeah. It’s like it’s a cleanser.
Yeah. It’s like, I’m sure it’s not exactly like this, but it’s just like drinking, you know,

[17:46] [Ed] rubbing alcohol. It’s not like that. But yes, it is. It is alcohol, a totally different kind of
alcohol. It cares. Do not drink rubbing alcohol. It will make you go blind, by the way. Oh,

[17:58] [Phoebe] oh, really? Oh, very, very, very bad. Yeah. So it’s really, it’s not the best thing for you,
but you know, I do, you know, it’s nice. It’s, it’s fun. It can’t be tasty. There are some

[18:13] [Ed] really fun tasty drinks out there. I love me a good, you know, whiskey or good tequila.

[18:19] [Phoebe] And for sure, I do, I do miss beer. Yeah. We were just looking at those hazy IPAs that somebody

[18:25] [Ed] was serving one of the shows we were watching last night. Yeah. Yeah. It does, it does taste really good.
We’ve, we’ve certainly acquired those taste buds. Although your taste buds have shifted recently.
They have. Now it doesn’t taste good for you. Yeah. Still taste good for me. I still, I still miss
a good drink. And, and I would say I haven’t cut it out completely. Right. But I have cut way

[18:51] [Unknown] back. Yeah. Way back. And pretty much we go out to a dinner with friends. I’ll have, I’ll order

[18:59] [Ed] a drink with that. We don’t go out that often. So it’s not like it’s happening once a week or

[19:04] [Phoebe] even once a month. Yeah. And, and we, we, we did have a few glasses of wine over the course of a
week. We’d opened up a bottle of wine. Right. But I had to be really careful about what,
what was going on for me that week. Did I need a really good night’s sleep? Right. Right. And
what kind of healthy things can I do the next day to kind of repair the damage that I’ve already

[19:27] [Unknown] done to my microbiota. So it’s, it’s a, you know, there’s a pro and con. There’s some,

[19:36] [Phoebe] some consequences to that that you have to, to do after, at least for me. So I don’t anticipate
partaking of any, um, drink package on any cruise ever. Not that we have. I mean, we don’t buy
the package. If we wanted a drink, we’d just buy it. Right. And honestly, now the adult resorts
are looking less exciting, even more because I’m paying for alcohol that I will never drink.
Right. Never drink. That’s true. So I guess that’s just part of it. Yeah. Yeah. So here’s an

[20:21] [Ed] interesting proposition we’re going to throw out there. If you are concerned about your microbiota
and your health and cancer and all of that kind of stuff, and you kind of think you might

[20:32] [Phoebe] like trying playing while you’re sober, uh-huh, which we did pretty much for the first five,
six years of our open relationship. Yeah. Yeah. We didn’t drink at all. All right. We need your help

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[21:57] [Ed] So it’s something to experiment with. Try it. Go to a house party and not have a drink. Keep it

[22:03] [Unknown] sober and see if your experience is better or worse. And it may force you to be a little bit more
present and use different ways of shaking the nerves off or breaking the ice. But that’s also

[22:25] [Ed] a good exercise too. Yeah. Practicing your breathing, getting in the zone, having a good wing
person so that you feel like you’re supported so that you’re not out there all by yourself and
you’re not because you’re you’re probably going with a partner. So think about it that way.

[22:43] [Phoebe] Working on your confidence, practicing your closing statements when you’re trying to close the
deal. And it’s a nice, I don’t know, we we felt really awkward in the beginning in a lifestyle
because we didn’t we didn’t know what was going on and we were trying to date other people and
it was weird and awkward and we didn’t know what to say. There’s a whole bunch of things that we’re
making. All of the above. And we just thought that the alcohol was going to make it
way worse and hindsight it may have made it better. But I don’t really know. But what it did

[23:21] [Unknown] give us was a lot of good skills. Yeah. We we’d come home and we we break down what worked,

[23:28] [Phoebe] what didn’t work. And then we go back out there and we give ourselves homework at each event.
And so it was it was a growth experience. For sure. It was a growth experience. And I don’t
think I would have been able to do that if I was drunk or too buzzed. Yeah. Yeah.

[23:48] [Ed] So the challenge, of course, is going to be this is difficult at first. If you do want to venture
into this and try it because alcohol is at every event. So if you’re at a social event,
if it’s a super bowl party, there’s going to be beer. If it’s a swinger event,

[24:10] [Unknown] somebody’s going to have cocktails there. So here’s some things to think about when you’re having

[24:16] [Ed] to cope with all of that. What do you hold in your hand? Because I think a lot of that is having
that thing that you’re walking around with. Well, you can you can grab a soda. You can grab
soda water. You could do a lime and ice. You could do a tonic. Yeah. You could do a virgin
cocktail. So you can do tonic water and lime is really good. Ginger ale is also really really

[24:42] [Phoebe] tasty as well. You can bring your own cup to the party. We have a couple of friends that just have
water and they hold their water cup, their mug, whatever. And that kind of keeps them.
They like that, right? So they’re even, it’s like a little safety blanket, I guess. Sure,

[25:04] [Ed] sure. And too, if you’re carrying your own water around, you don’t feel compelled to go get
something from some counter where, oh, look, there’s also yeah, there’s like, oh, there’s a

[25:15] [Phoebe] yellow shot right there. Maybe I’ll just take, you know, just one, just one. I think that was

[25:20] [Ed] the last thing that happened with us at the party. You can practice saying no also because people are

[25:29] [Phoebe] going to want you to drink. They’re, it’s part of the social thing, you know, feed you, drink you,
make you feel comfortable, all the social things that they want you to be taken care of. So you
can practice saying no, no, thank you, or I’m good. Right. And you could explain to them why you’re

[25:49] [Ed] doing it or you could just practice your consent and say, no, thank you. I just, I’m just not, I’m
not having anything to drink tonight or I’ve had, I’ve had enough for tonight. You could even say

[26:00] [Phoebe] that. Oh, yeah, I’ve had enough for tonight. Yeah. They’re not going to know if you’ve had anything.
No one’s going to know. They’re not keeping count. Oh, I like that one. I’ve had enough for tonight.

[26:09] [Ed] So remember, this is, you’re doing this to be kind to yourself. You’re doing this as a service
to yourself and focus really on your progression. It’s, it’s not getting it right the first time. It’s
are you, are you working towards that goal of maybe not drinking anymore? Yeah. That’s to you.

[26:27] [Unknown] Not perfection. It’s progression. Yeah.

[26:32] [Phoebe] Most importantly, your consent will be much better. Yeah. You will be present to be able to

[26:41] [Ed] say, hell yeah, or no, thank you, which is great. Yes. No more like slipped and fell and landed on

[26:54] [Unknown] a dick. Right. And I will, I will say your, your experience might be better.

[27:06] [Phoebe] Right? Depending on what you’re going after. Now, if you’re, if you’re intent is to go after
having a good party time, right? You want to get your dance on, you want to get your flirt on,
you want to, you want to feel the buzz and you want to just be in that space. Well, yeah,

[27:24] [Guest] obviously, you know, if that’s part of that, right? You can’t really do that sober, but

[27:32] [Phoebe] you can dance sober and you can get your flirt on sober. I did that for many, many years and I
had a good time. See, but I’m a little different. I get really high off my own hormones
cheddar, coursing through my body. I pull a lot of energy. I get high off the energy from other
people. So just the music and their vibes, I just am a buzz. So I really don’t need anything.

[28:02] [Unknown] So yeah, your experience could be better or different. Yeah. Wait, let’s, let’s think about what
else could be different with your experience. How about your, your communication or your

[28:19] [Ed] sexual experience? Can that be different? Absolutely. Just like consent. If you are more present
in what’s going on, you’ll be able to ask for what you want. Now, you may be nervous about that
or you, you may feel pressure about using your voice and saying, no, to something or asking for
something, but at the same time, if you’d been drinking, you wouldn’t be asking for those things
either. So even though you’re more, you’re less inhibited, you’re in a sense, not going to be

[28:53] [Guest] held back from just speaking your mind, you probably are also more easily going to go with the flow

[29:00] [Ed] and just not say anything. So learning to practice that I want this and this and this and I don’t
want that, that’s actually a really good thing. And your sexual experiences tend to be better when

[29:14] [Phoebe] you ask for what you want. I agree because you are really taking control of your experience and
not letting it just happen to you. You can direct that by your consent in the beginning and
ongoing through that experience. Yep. 100%. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen women or
usually I’m focusing on the women because I’m always wanting to make sure they’re okay. Right.
Who have had too much to drink and they’re kind of just laying there with their partner.
And they are kind of checked out. And I know they’re not having a great time. They’re

[30:00] [Ed] probably not even going to remember it. Yeah. We’ve had experiences with people where after the
fact, we were like, I don’t know if she’s going to remember any of this tomorrow because she

[30:11] [Unknown] didn’t look drunk at the time, but I don’t halfway through it. You’re like, I don’t know what’s

[30:18] [Phoebe] going on with her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And once again, you will have your naysayers. I say, yeah,

[30:28] [Unknown] yeah, yeah, yeah. Live your best life. Which, you know, everybody’s entitled to their thing.

[30:33] [Ed] The really good thing about cancer is it’s not contagious. Right. You don’t need to wear a condom
for that. You’re only affecting yourself. But at the same time, you know, if this is,
if you’ve been watching the news and this is something that’s concerning you, something to think

[30:48] [Phoebe] about. Yeah. Something to think about. You know, it would be nice if these big resorts had a,
a, um, right, a, a catalog, a menu list of, of the virgin, virgin, virgin drinks. Yeah,

[31:06] [Ed] it’d be pretty cool. That you could pick from. I, I like a virgin Moscow mule that’s ginger

[31:12] [Phoebe] beer. I guess it could make anything virgin. You just tell them some things taste better with the,

[31:18] [Ed] the extra juice, but there’s a lot of stuff with, especially mixed drinks. They, I mean, you can

[31:24] [Phoebe] kind of tell, but there’s ways of fixing that too. Yeah. So, yes. Think about who is important in

[31:34] [Unknown] your life. Consider making healthy choices because this is something that can affect your health
and you should probably consider it. Your health and, and then, and therefore, the health of the

[31:48] [Phoebe] others around you, right? The whole, you know, put the oxygen mask on yourself first. Right.

[31:53] [Unknown] Because you have others to take care of potentially. Be kind to yourself and realize that this is

[32:01] [Ed] a struggle for a lot of people. And this is your own personal thing. So do what you want to do with it.
Challenge yourself to more personal growth by staying sober and grounded. Give it a try. Yeah.

[32:18] [Phoebe] See if your experiences are better. Yeah. And I, it’s a good challenge, I think, to, to be in that
space where you stand your ground. It’s going to be a little uncomfortable, but you, you will feel
better about yourself. You, you will gain confidence. If you’re, if you’re drinking because you’re,
you don’t, you’re an introvert or you don’t like social situations, you’re awkward. Well, you,
you can change that. You do have the power to change it. You don’t need a substance to do that.
Right. Right. Although I will say, because I am going to get some comments on
for people that do like to use other substances like mushrooms or MDMA or things like that,
that for individuals with severe anxiety and there are some, some alternative substances out
there for individuals that really, they, they, they can’t really function in society unless they,
they have some of these substances to kind of get them through the day. So there is that,

[33:23] [Unknown] now I’m not, I’m not shaming those substances at all. No, absolutely. And there’s a lot of research

[33:28] [Ed] being done on the hallucinogenics for things like PTSD. And they can have an amazing effect on people’s

[33:39] [Phoebe] lives in terms of helping with that. Yeah. And, and using those are, are, are also, I mean,
using any of this is, is fine at a party. Just, just make sure you, you really are dialing in
your consent that, that you’re giving your true consent and that the person you’re giving it to
is really listening. Right. And that you can have that exchange for a good experience.

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